Episode 50: Ally Brettnacher & Alyssa Stickley - Alyssa Stickley Interviews Ally

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Apr 5

For the 50th episode and one-year podcast birthday, my best friend Dr. Alyssa Stickley turns the mic around and interviews me.

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About this episode

To celebrate 50 episodes and one year of Finish Lines & Milestones, my best friend Alyssa Stickley, my very first guest back on episode 2, flips the script and interviews me. We retell how we met through a Facebook group for owners of goldendoodles from the same Peoria breeder, and how our dogs, husbands and kids all became friends.

Alyssa asks about my family, meeting Zach and running the Chicago Marathon together, finding running in college, and the Indy Mini tradition I share with my dad. We get into working with my coach Rachel, leaving software sales to start Athlete Bouquets, why I started this podcast, my goal of qualifying for Boston, race-day routines (yes, I bring my own toaster), and my count of 57 half marathons and seven full marathons.

In this episode, we discuss

How Alyssa and I met through a goldendoodle breeder's Facebook group
My daughters Sydney and Sloane and what makes each of them unique
Meeting Zach, who was hired to replace me at my first job
Breaking up with an ex the day of a Monumental half marathon
Training with Zach for the Chicago Marathon when he had never run more than 3 miles
Running in college at Miami of Ohio, often for the wrong reasons
Studying abroad in Luxembourg and my Indy Mini tradition with my dad
My first marathon in Chicago on 10/10/10
Recent half marathons at Rock 'n' Roll Las Vegas and the Sam Costa Half
How coach Rachel and Team RMR changed my training
Leaving software sales and starting Athlete Bouquets
Why I started the podcast and how my friend Rachel helped launch it
My goal of qualifying for the Boston Marathon
Our Big Cottonwood half in Utah and racing while pregnant
Race-day routines, my post-race cheeseburger and chocolate milk, and my mantras

Chapters

Intro
One year and 50 episodes
How we met through our dogs
Sydney, Sloane and Zach
Running Chicago with Zach
How I got into running
First marathon and recent races
Working with a running coach
Leaving sales and starting Athlete Bouquets
Starting the podcast
Chasing a Boston qualifier
Utah, Ragnar and girls' trips
Race-day routines and fuel
Racing while pregnant and race totals
Carmel Expo, mantras and what's next

Mentioned in this episode

Races: Chicago Marathon, Indy Mini-Marathon, Indianapolis Monumental Marathon, Rock 'n' Roll Las Vegas, Sam Costa Half Marathon, REVEL Big Cottonwood, Austin Half Marathon, Carmel Marathon, Boston Marathon, Berlin Marathon, New York City Marathon, Fargo Marathon, Ragnar Relay, Luxembourg Marathon, Sydney Marathon
Organizations and charities: Team RMR (Rachel Michelle Running), Athlete Bouquets, Beyond Monumental, Athletic Annex, Peloton, Sun King Brewing, Riley Children's Hospital, Miami University, ExactTarget
Other: Run the mile you're in, GU energy gels, Pure Fuel maple syrup by Anderson's, Maurten gels, SaltStick, Sticker Mule, Etsy, Hal Higdon training plans

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Frequently asked

How did Ally Brettnacher and Alyssa Stickley meet?

Ally Brettnacher and Alyssa Stickley met through a Facebook group for owners of goldendoodles from the same breeder in Peoria, Illinois, when Alyssa invited Ally and her dog Doug over for a play date.

What is Ally Brettnacher's running goal?

In episode 50 of Finish Lines & Milestones, Ally Brettnacher says her big goal is to qualify for the Boston Marathon after a strong postpartum return to racing with her coach Rachel.

How many races has Ally Brettnacher run?

As of April 2024, Ally Brettnacher had run 57 half marathons and seven full marathons, including the Chicago and New York City marathons.

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Welcome to Finish Lines and Milestones with Ali Bretnocker. Incredible stories and tales of triumphs with everyday people achieving their goals and fitness. This podcast brought to you by Athlete Bouquets. Celebrate finish lines and milestones of the people that you love by visiting athletebouquets.com. Welcome to episode 50. This is Sydney Bretnocker. And this is her mom, Ali Bretnocker. We are coming to you from spring break in Florida and 1st. What did we do Sydney? We. Went to the indoor pool today and yesterday we did some fun stuff in the pool and also today we got to get ice cream. So we're having so much fun. And before we were in Florida, we were in Alexandria, VA, visiting my sister and brother-in-law and their three kids.

Right, Your cousins. Yes, my cousins. And we had a lot of fun spending Easter at their house, right? Yeah, and there was lots of Easter eggs. Lots of Easter eggs, but now we're in Florida and it's so nice here. I don't think we're ever going to want to come home. I got to do a 10 mile run yesterday and it was wonderful. And then Sydney, what are we going to do? Maybe tomorrow? What do you like to do with mom? We like to do this thing where I get on my bike and she just runs next to me. Yeah, so let's do that tomorrow. What do you think?

Yes. Perfect. Well, thank you, Sidney, for helping me with my introduction. You are so good at this. Thank you. So this episode's super special because it marks one year of the podcast and one of my best friends in the whole world, Alyssa interviewed me and we talked about me. So if you don't know me very well, this episode is the perfect way to get to know me a little better since you only get snippets throughout the 50 episodes thus far. So if you haven't listened to early episodes too, I would encourage you to go back and listen. Alyssa and I did an episode together. She was my first guest on episode #2, but this was really fun to record and get a chance to tell a little bit of more my story.

So I really hope you like it. Do you think people are going to like it to me? Yes, and especially because it is so special. I hope you all love episode 50. Hey. Good morning. Oh, that was nice. Good morning, people. I'm here for episode 50. Can you believe it's been 50 episodes? Nope. I remember the first time you talked about this and your idea, so the fact that it's been a 50 is quite insane. Yeah. And it'll be a year I looked it up on April 7th will be a year the podcast birthday. A year. That's crazy. A year goes by very. Fast. It does go by really fast.

I when I first started, I don't know, I just was like, OK, I guess I'll just start and then I haven't. I took two weeks off, I think over the holidays, and then that was it. Every week. It's been so much fun. I'm I've really enjoyed listening to it and just trying to support you in any way that I can. So I love this. Yeah, I will say this location love Carmel IN it's beautiful, it's super fancy, and it's just a little different than our last podcast that we recorded the very first episode. Yeah, let's paint a picture of that. So for anybody who didn't listen to either the first or second episode, Alyssa Stickley.

Dr. Stickley, as I called her multiple times in that episode, second episode is going to interview me today kind of in honor of the 50th episode, for people who care, which I feel like is kind of weird. But yeah, the first time we did it, it was in your old house. Now, because you've now moved in your master closet, which is probably like the size of this room we're in now with the clothes. Feels smaller with the clothes, yeah. Yeah, and we have 5 by. Seven room or. Yeah, I don't know. And we had beers, which was nice. It's better than coffee, which we have now, but sitting on a floor and the kids were there, which was I I remember feeling like people could hear them screaming, which you really couldn't.

And they're recording, but we could hear them beneath us. So now we have no children here and we just get to hang out, drink coffee and talk about running, which is like, what could be better if we were on a beach doing this with margaritas. That that would be better for sure. OK. So we don't necessarily have a road map for today other than just kind of helping listeners get to know me a little bit better. Because you know, as time has gone on, there are more than 10 people that listen to this, yes, which is cool. That was how you got me to do that first episode.

It is. Well, don't worry. This, this is not my thing at all. And so she was like, no one, no, no more than 10 people will hear this. And I was like, OK, I can. Do that to see how many people have in fact heard that episode. Probably more than 10 people. Sorry, but it's good and you're so relaxed anyway. I'm a little less relaxed in this this room, but we'll we'll get through this. I understand I'm used to it now, but I went to a fancy studio a few weeks ago and it was like I never quite felt comfortable. Yeah, we'll get going. We'll get going and you'll you'll forget.

So I feel like we get to know you a little bit through all of your podcasts. A lot of it's related to running. We hear little bits and pieces about your girls and being a mom. And I know the latest episode of Listen to, you know, the childbirth one. I don't know what episode number that was. 48. I think I'm halfway through that. But, you know, we get tidbits. But you, I think you do a good job of, you know, letting your guests talk and tell their stories and so thank you. We don't get to hear too much about you, so. Which is good. I try, you know, I have to be conscious of it sometimes.

And I listen back to episodes and I'm like Alley, just like, I don't know. I got to make sure that I don't want to jump in because I get really excited. Yeah, no. And that's that's natural that you have that personality. So I don't know if you have a starting place you want to start off, but I I just want to. I know some people may know us personally or have heard this, but just how we met? And how we became friends. Such a good story. I think that's a perfect place to start. I think you can tell it. OK, I think I made you tell it last.

Year you did. Yeah, for So for people who didn't listen to episode #2 with Alyssa, we met through our dogs. And not just through our dogs, but like our dogs on Facebook and like a Facebook group that is called the Pawpad Doodle Goldendoodles or something, which is a breeder based in Illinois, Peoria, IL. And I found out about them through a guy I worked with. Well, I first he was like a friend of a friend and he had this dog and I was like, I love this dog. I want this dog. This is the dog I want. And so. Keep in mind we live 3 hours away from Peoria, IL and there are plenty.

So our dogs are goldendoodles and there are plenty of wonderful goldendoodle breeders in Indiana, Indianapolis. But this was like, you know what, 1212 years ago now, but keep going. Which is crazy. And so I remember meeting this dog as he was bachelor and he's the sweetest dog ever. And so when it came time for us to get a puppy, which my husband and I were engaged at the time, 'cause he said, OK, we'll get one after we get married. I'm like, so we're, I was like going to have the dog ready to be dropped off at our house, like after right after our wedding. Yeah, you get back from.

Here. Exactly. And so, yeah, we we orchestrated that. I ended up asking the guy. I was like, where'd you get your dog? That's where I want to get my dog. So I, you know, went through the whole thing. And then you and I are actually talking about last night. Like I never we never met dug our dog in person. But we like did it all via e-mail because we were planning a wedding at the time and my husband Zach was like, he didn't really. He was just like this is your thing kind of. And so yeah, Yellow Ribbon Boy dug and we found out while we were on our honeymoon which dog we got and so and then picked him up.

We got married in May and we picked him up in June. So yeah. So I have a very similar story. I did a random continuing my education course up in Chicago. We ended up staying at one of my husband, now husband's friend's house because he was out of town, so a free place to stay. His roommate was still in town and had a dog, a Goldendoodle, and I was with him all weekend. He like slept with us in her bed. What? Was his name. Do you remember? Louie. Oh, that's a good. Dog love this dog fell in love and I said I am getting a Louie when it's time to get a dog.

Had him as my background on my phone. This is pre kids for like 6 months and people like who's that dog? I was like this random dog. I meant in Chicago but no I said the same thing. I said I'm going to this breeder. This dog is the best personality. Super cute. So I got my dog back in 2013. When did you get done? 2014. So because we're so far away, there's only, you know, maybe at the time a few people that had dogs from this breeder that lived in Indianapolis area and there was a Facebook group for everyone that had dogs from the breeder pop, had doodle fan club or something like that.

People would post pictures of their dogs like they were. Kids, pretty active Facebook group, great information. I remember like searching for list of things to buy before you have a puppy, like all that stuff. It was really great. And before kids. Before kids, it's like your dogs or your kids. So I sought out people in that group that lived in Indianapolis, had my own, a separate thread, and I decided to do let's get a play date going. Yeah, 'cause when I'm. I messaged or I posted when I we got Doug, I posted a picture of Doug in the Facebook group. You know, a lot of times people when they post for the first time, they're like any siblings out there.

Like, you know, here's his mom and dad, how old, you know, whatever. And so when I said where I was from, you commented like, hey, I'm from Indy 2, like, we should totally have a play date. Yeah. And I remember telling my husband when we, like, scheduled it, 'cause I wanted him to come with me. I wanted someone to come with me. And he was like, that's really fucking weird. And I'm like, what do you mean it's weird? Our dogs are from the same place. Like, I don't know, I looked, I remember looking at your Facebook. I was like, she went to IU. She looks normal, like, not like a serial killer.

And so I made my sister Casey, who also went to IU, come as the buffer. And yeah, and I brought Doug to your house and ironically you were, you were dog sitting for another doodle, Cody, Shayna's dog. And so we found out like I worked with Shayna. It was so weird, like such a small world thing. But I remember that day like leaving there. I was like, I don't know. We just clicked. We hit it off so well. And I don't know if we made plans to like get together again that day, but it was like pretty soon after we met our husbands met. And, you know, people listening certainly know how hard it is to find friends where you also like, you know, the husbands like each other, the wives like each other.

And I'm not saying, like, I don't like the wives of my husband's friend or, you know, but it's like it's just a different level. And so this level, like our husbands are really good friends now and we're really good friends and our kids are like best friends. But it was so funny that that's how we met. And you had a pool at your old house and you also told me to bring my swimsuit. My dad always reminds us when we tell the story. And I was like, I have beer like you can stay for a while. You can hang out and it was fun. We had a blast and Casey made a great buffer and yeah, I it was so funny.

And then that our dogs are friends. I just think it's crazy that had I not gone to Chicago that weekend like this, I'm sure we would have met in some way, which is kind of eerie too, because we have a lot of. We do have mutual friends, but not like a ton. And you're like Zionsville, I'm Carmel, so it's not like we're kids are in school together or anything like that. So I don't know, but that's how we met through our dogs. And we play golf together too. And we're golf partners in a golf league. And so whenever people ask how we met, which is like literally every week, we play.

Oh, through our dogs. Through our dogs. And they'll be like, oh, are you the do they call us the dog girls sometimes. Or like I think they call us the A-Team actually, which is good. Which you know that I like, because, yeah, Ali, Alyssa, A-Team, we're not. Great. No, Definitely more like C plus team, but. I mean, maybe AB minus though. Like we can at least hang, Yeah. But yeah, maybe AC plus, yeah, we're not very. Good for my standards. Yeah, I know it's hard. Well, yeah, for my own standards. But yeah. So that's how we met. And now. Yeah. And now, like I said, we're such good friends.

Our kids are friends. Kids, thank goodness, like, start playing together better now. And so we can ideally just like, sit and hang out while our kids play. It's so wonderful. It is. So tell me just we've heard snippets, but just a little bit about your two kids. Two kids. Ages, names. What makes them unique? Oh yeah, this is good. Sydney and Sloan S names. Sydney is 6 1/2 and then Sloan is almost three. She will be 3 on April 29th. So really soon. And what makes them unique? Sydney is such a typical first born. I love seeing all the videos on the Internet about like the, you know, traditional, like first born, second born, because it's really true.

Sydney's a rule follower and then Sloan's like quite the opposite. Just like nuts. Yeah, just absolutely nuts. They both love to dance and sing. They are getting into activities, Sloan a little bit. Sydney's playing soccer and like, you know, I've talked about this, likes to run a little bit, trying to get her into that at some point. But yeah, they're just so wonderful. And Sydney's a redhead, which is funny. I don't know how often I share pictures of her on Athlete Bouquets Instagram, but yeah, she's a redhead, which is weird. My cousin has red hair and Zach has a cousin with red hair, and that's it.

So and then Sloane's like dirty blonde, so I have super dark brown hair. It's so weird. You envision what your kids are going to look like. You obviously have no idea. And then I'm like, I don't feel like my kids look like me or like each other. So it's weird. Well, they're both adorable. Oh, yeah. So. And then tell me a little about about your husband, Zach. I know he did an episode early on, didn't he? He did. I think he was episode. He might have been episode 3. Because I was like, OK, if I'm going to have like, my first guy. No, maybe he was like he was 55 because I had a couple other women on Christy and Whitney, both really great episodes.

I feel like people who are early on, I'm like, man, I need to like just revisit those because they're so good. So, you know, if you're new to listening to this, go back and listen to some of the early episodes. There's some really great stories. And so anyway, Zach was like #5 and so we recorded in our in my office closet. So I made him go in a closet. He really upgraded your. I really have upgraded your game, yeah. But getting Zach to come to the library to record, I don't know if he, if I would have been able to drag him into it. It was easy.

So I'm like just come upstairs, record with me. And he did a good job, but we met through work and so we didn't work together. But he was actually hired to replace me when I left my first job out of school. So the first job I had was a two year program. So it was like naturally like at the end you would you know you some people would stay and some people would leave. So I'm leaving and he was hired to do the exact same thing, which is wild if you know us. We're so different professionally our skill sets are way different and and so he literally at my old desk my old boss my old laptop my old Co workers like it was and my first job I think I mentioned this on a recent episode it was like the office, like it was this.

I mean we sold printers and it was totally yes. It was like Dunder Mifflin. I swear it was hilarious. The characters in that office, so good. And so I had like we had a just like three of us that were young and the rest of the people were like middle-aged little older and which I guess I am now. But like we were the young, young ones there. And I still talk to the people I worked with then. But yeah Zach was hired to replace me and I was dating someone else at the time. Actually I had a serious boyfriend of years and we met you know during lunch like a lunch where I went out to lunch with my old Co workers and we all got together and and so and then I met him again and then I broke up with my my boyfriend which actually relates to running.

He had. It was just, he's a douche bag, and I shouldn't have been with him for as long as I was. And I knew I, you know, I knew I wasn't going to marry the guy. But for some reason, it just took a long time for me to kind of just do it, just break up with him. But it was the monumental half marathon I ran with my old roommate Sue and Sue and I. Her boyfriend drove us downtown, cheered for us, was so kind. And we get back and I remember calling my ex and he was like, just started rambling about something else. Didn't even give a shit about my race at all.

And right then and there, I just like, I'm done. It was so cool anyway. So how long? Wait, wait, wait. How long did it take to break up with him after that moment? Same day. Swear to God. I like it. And then it was like, no, I'm done. We're not even. Yeah, it was just one of those things where this running is and was really important to me. And I just watched how, you know, and Sue's now married to her boyfriend, Will. I just watched how you know he took the lead and like taking care of, you know, just I don't know was very considerate and I just was like that's the kind of relationship I want.

So so anyway then really shortly after that happened that was November, I met re met Zach at a happy hour with those same Co workers. So, and it was around the holidays and it was like zero to 60. Did you like him when you first met him? When you were like, were you training him essentially or no? OK. Yeah, it wasn't one of those things where I, like started getting to know it and then it kind of it was like, you know, hey, hey, you know, I just wasn't interested because I was with somebody else and and I was out the door and I, you know, had my other coworkers like he was nice enough and he always tells the story.

Whereas he was like, hey, maybe I'll see you out in Broad Ripple sometime And I was kind of like cool. Yeah, maybe not. Yeah. But you know, I, I when we, you know, hit it off, it just we hit it off and we literally, I don't know if we even like spent a night apart after we first met because we had our our first date the next day. Wow. Yeah. And then when did you guys first run together? So he was a trooper and agreed to run the Chicago Marathon with me. How soon after you met? I'm trying to think about what year it was that we met.

I don't remember. It's probably 2011 or something like that. And so we met. And then I was, I think I was already signed up for the race for Chicago. And I said, hey, do you want to? You know, you want to do it too. And so we spent all that summer training together. He had never run more than 3 miles in his whole life. And we spent that whole summer on the Monon training together. We would go up to the lake and we would run, you know, do training runs together. I really miss actually that like running together because we really don't run together anymore.

But he, you know, he had shirts made for the race. His sister helped him. She's NPR. And she made the got us the shirts where it had our names on the front, which is key. And then on the back it said something like his said, like, chased her for 500 miles. And then mine said like let him follow me for 26.2 more or something really cute like that. So that was so fun. And that's the only marathon that he's run. He will run a half marathon, usually once a year, usually the Indie mini, but other than that, sometimes he'll do like the Carmel do. You guys like run, walk it a bit?

Or did he, like, run it? No, he ran it. Wow, we didn't. Really impressive. I think we walked a touch in the second-half because I really didn't want to walk, but we finished in like 5 just under 5 hours, which is my first couple marathons for like just under five hours. And he at the end was like Super Zach, like, you know Zach, So he's like cheering. And he loved the spectators, he yelled on his name. He said his arm was sore from fist bumping. Was that his first race or he had he done 5 KS and stuff? He might have done other little stuff, but it was like.

That's that's insane. We might have done half marathons leading up. We probably did like the mini and stuff. I was going to say it. That's love. He really. He really. He, he finally agreed to that. Right. And so imagine that you're like go from a guy who doesn't care at all to a guy who's like, sure, yeah, I'll do that. And he'd never really run in his life. And we spent the entire summer and we spent, you know, those miles. We really get to know somebody for sure when you're out and you're running for hours and hours at a time. It was it was great.

So yeah, I loved that. That race was fun. I'm glad that we did that together. I love that. Well, I love Zach too. He's a great guy. He's a good friend to myself and my husband and he's super funny. He's like the king of all dad jokes. And yeah, he's just, he's a great dad and he's, he's funny. He's funny. He is great and he is like Mr. Fix it. If something's broken, he'll like, you know, in your new house like. We're not going to go there. We won't. We won't go there. But he like fixes stuff he like, always needs to like just get things done.

And he gets it done fast. He doesn't like to just wait around. He's not the husband that doesn't finish. Projects. No. He will finish mine and start projects you don't even want. Yeah, he'll come over and he'll be like, I'll be right back and I'll head to the hard work store and like just get it done. Yeah. And he does a He does a fairly good job too you. Know. Depends on the project. Yeah, like he chopped off our the top of our swing set, which was, Oh yeah, wild. Anyway, that's Zach. Love Zach. Love Zach. 10 years this year too. I'm going to drag him to.

We're going to go somewhere. We haven't booked a trip yet for our tenure, which is driving me. Nuts. You need to. We will make that a priority. Yeah. OK, so getting into running and about you, how did you get into running and how did that lead to your like first running event that you did? Yeah, So growing up, I was an athlete in school. Like, I played soccer when I was little. My dad coached our soccer teams. I did travel soccer and then in high school I went to Westfield High School, which is now pretty large, but at the time was pretty small. It was like 250 kids a class and so I could play any sport I wanted, which was really cool.

If you think about this area that we live in now, it's pretty competitive and hard to play sports. And so I my freshman year, I ran track, I played soccer. I what else did I do? Basketball. And then and then I stuck with soccer. I also did I stick with anything else? I think I just ended up after freshman year just doing soccer the rest of the time. And I hated like the one mile warm up. Hated it. That was every, every day. Yeah, I would rather run suicides, which are like when you run to the different lines on the on the field. I would rather do that than than run a mile.

Like I just didn't like the law. Like I thought it was boring. So then Fast forward to college. I didn't play any sports in college, but I did when I filled out my form to apply for living. I like made it sound like I was like the most, you know, fitness oriented person. I don't know, Like I love sports and whatever. And my strategy was trying to get close to their rec center. Is this at Miami? At Miami. OH, right, Yeah. Miami, Ohio is where I went. Oxford, OH, at the public school, about 15,000. So it's pretty big. I mean, it's certainly gotten more recognition now I feel like in this area, but I so I ended up being close to the rec center.

Is that what you wanted? So I got what I wanted. Dirty Dodds. Dodds Hall was the name of my my dorm. And so I would start going there and working out. And actually, if you listen to Colleen's episode recently, she said that she started to offset the decision she made in college. And I was like, that's such a nice way to put it versus being that versus like, well, I drank a shit ton and I ate so much nasty ass. You always say run the beer off. Right, exactly. But like, that was kind of what got me into running, which really was not healthy. Miami of Ohio is notorious for being, you know, there's a lot of eating disorders.

It was very j.crew, you very preppy, very beautiful people. Just kind of an environment that, you know, for young women was kind of tough. So I started running to offset the decisions I was making and I would literally read my my textbooks on a treadmill. I would put my textbooks on the treadmill and I would read whatever, you know, I was assigned to read on the treadmill. I would then stop, go to Pilates or like a group. Of running while reading. Yeah. Oh, that's impressive. Talent cannot do that. Now and then I would like read again after I would run. I mean, I just, I did a lot and then I didn't sign up for an actual race.

I don't know if I ever did any races at all growing up. I can't. If I did, I can't remember any. My mom ran the mini every year until she had hip problems and no longer runs. And then my dad started running mini every year and the he would try to get me to do it in high school. And I remember one time trying to train for it and then kind of giving up. And so in 2007, which would have been my junior year of college, which would have been when I was back from studying abroad because I studied abroad my junior year in the fall semester, I agreed to do the mini with my dad.

Time out real quick. Where'd you go? Oh, Luxembourg. OK. Yeah, that's right. Yep. So Luxembourg, which is actually a country which I didn't know at that time, is a very small country, probably like the size of the state of Indiana between France and Germany. So it's awesome. It's very centrally located. I have vivid memories of running. There's one memory I have. I think it was in Germany, like running at a truck stop in the middle of the night or like in the morning. It was dark, like dumb. I would never do that today, like running back and forth on the street just to like get miles in and stuff.

Because you're in a safe country there. I don't know where we were. Luxembourg. Safe, you know, safe fish. I don't know. But yeah, and I would run all around Luxembourg City. Beautiful. I want to go back and do the, the marathon there. They have a marathon in Luxembourg City, which would be so cool to go back and like, just relive some of that. But anyway, 2007, I agreed to do the menu with my dad, and then that kind of became our tradition. I had a street going for a long time, for the Mini in particular, and then I broke it one year and I can't remember why because I ran super pregnant too.

So my dad, it would be, we'd go to his friend's house, Doctor wall, go to Doctor Wall's house, and there'd be like a handful of guys there that we're going to run and they'd all be like taping up their nipples. And I was the only girl I think that I was the only, like, kid for. I mean, maybe sometimes there are other kids, but I was pretty much the only kid and I would go and we would run and we did that every year. And that was like the only race I would do every year. And then I did my first marathon also with my dad in 10/10/10 on 10/10/10 which is always Chicago, Chicago.

How did that go for you? Not timing wise, but if you remember it, like what was? I know you. You're one that always tells me because I feel like you have more emotion about when you're running and like you feel more than I do when I run. I'm more just like I'm going for a run. There's not much going up on my head about it, but you, you know, you get more emotional at the end of things. So how did you feel for after that first one? Man. Just like you accomplished. Something like I don't vividly remember the first marathon finish. Line that was a long time ago.

It was a long time ago. That's like 14 years ago. 10 How many? What day is it I? Don't even know what day. Or I was like, wait a minute. Yeah, like 14 years ago. It's so long. So yeah, but I I do remember having enough of a feeling of accomplishment. And I cry at, like, at almost every marathon finish line. Like, at least get, like, choked up, 'cause you're just so exhausted and you're like, wow, I just did that. And also sharing that with my dad was really special. We didn't finish together that first race. He had done it before. Or was that his first one, too?

Oh, gosh, I don't know. I forget. But we like, split up at half halfway. And so I didn't finish with him. But yeah, I remember going to find him over in Millennium Park, like by the fountain. He's like laying down and, you know, being able to celebrate that. But I do remember feeling at least feeling accomplished. And also, you know, I joke with runners about how you feel like, oh, God, that was awful. I'm done. I'm never doing that again. And you go from that feeling to being like, when can I do that again? Absolutely, yeah. I would have to look at my race spreadsheet to remember too, which all the years I did Chicago.

Tommy, I guess just most about like your most recent run that you've done. And I also want to learn more about your running coach and how that's kind of changed things for you. Yeah, so now it's spring and so finally there's more races happening. So this year I've done two half marathon so far, one in Vegas at the rock'n'roll in Vegas with my dad and then one the Sam Costa here locally which I said at the beginning of last episode is when I've never done before and. Until you find out about it on a podcast like someone told you about. It, yeah, we talked more about it.

I'd like seen the name around. I knew people did it, but I didn't know anything about it. I didn't know it was even in Carmel. Which I think someone told you on a podcast and then you were, and then I heard later like you're doing it. I was like you probably just like signed up for it right after that. Yeah, I kind of tried to wait to see what the weather was going to be like. And then we ended up having like not the greatest weather, but it was fun. It was a nice, like small local race. It's been happening for over 50 years. And so I I like that environment a lot.

And then I also like, you know, being at Vegas where it's like, you know, I don't know how many runners there were this year, but like maybe 15,000 or so, like bigger environment, you know, big light city, like a lot of hoopla versus then going to Sam Costa, which is hundreds of runners and like through neighbourhoods. So just like a very different vibe, but also very great experiences, both kinds. Like I like both, both options. I like that I can win an age group award. Yes, thank you. I don't. You did probably didn't know until you were done, correct? Yeah, yeah. But that's exciting. Which?

I mean, I knew. So they have a tradition where they put all the winners, like the winners, outright winners, Masters winners, and like age group awards. They put you on the shirt next year, which is so cool. So leave you on the shirt. So I'll be on the shirt, which I'm like, that's pretty. Cool. So do you have to sign up for the race to get the shirt? Probably so. So you'll be. Doing. Or I can just like, beg somebody to give me their shirt. But yeah, it's smart because it's like, oh, that's how you get people to come back and get people to do it.

Like a lot of people are like, oh, I want to get on the shirt, which I, you know, really didn't think about. I've never done the race. I just was, you know, I like to race. So let's see what kind of fitness level I'm at, which is a good segue to what you asked about. I'm wearing my team RMR. Yes, that's. What reminded? Sweatshirt. It's super cute. Isn't it So cute. I designed. I designed. This. Oh, of course you did. I'm sure people know this about you, but Ali is very artistic and just really, really a creative person. So I like everything she does. Like, I like.

Did you do that? Because and she's always like, yeah, I'm like that's awesome. Yeah. So she's yeah, she's pretty impressive. Thank you. And. It's so nice that I finally get to, like, lean into that side of myself because before I really had no outlet for that really at all. When you didn't have time. Right, so now it's like, I get to do that. It's so fun. So Rachel Michelle running is what RMR stands for. Rachel Cinders is her name. She's local to Carmel. I met her through a a mutual friend that we have, Teresa Wyrick who listens to this podcast. Hello Teresa, hey Teresa. And she was the one really that really inspired me to start this podcast actually.

So Teresa had a kid and then like did a couple Iron Man's and it was kind of just cause the timing of it all with you know I think it was related to maybe COVID or she had to defer whatever. It was just, I looked at her in awe of like, how did you do that, those things. And it was so cool. And then here you are just like being a mom and going to doing, you know, a normal job. And so that's really what got me thinking, like all these people are out there with these like, insane stories. Anyway, so she introduced me to Rachel.

And Rachel and I initially just met via Instagram and she had actually been gifted A bouquet for Carmel from Teresa. Teresa bought her 1. So it's so funny like this. Oh that's the Rachel you got to, you know, give for. I've actually made one for her. And Rachel asked if I would do a giveaway for her clients And I said, oh, sure, you know. And then she said, well, I, I'll give you some, you know, some free a month free coaching or something if you want. And I was kind of like, meh. I kind of look, I was like who needs running like that seems like almost like not a scam.

But I was like, I don't think I need that. I have run, you know, X number of races. I know how to train, like spreadsheets. I got my spreadsheet, I got my whatever, my Hal Higdon running plan from the Internet. And then she was describing to me how it worked, 'cause I I said, I really said I don't think so. And I said, well, you know, just tell me more about what you do though, how you work with your athletes. And and so she did. And it was really interesting to me, like how she has an app and how like she, you know, meets with her runners before races to like, strategize.

And you know, you can do it for a few months leading up to a race and then stop if you want. Or you can do it all the time and like, huh. OK, so maybe I should just, like, try it, see what it's like. And I have not stopped since. And that was in 21/20/21. So it's been so incredibly helpful for me to improve my fitness level. Like, I know that I could still be running half marathons, but the way that there's different types of workouts that I knew nothing about, like doing an easy run where you run on purpose, like minutes slower than what you would run in a race.

I had no idea that was a thing is hard to do actually, at first, because you're like feel like you're really not working very hard. And for me, I'm always trying to go out there and run as fast as I can and sweat and feel like I got the best workout ever. But to really improve your fitness, you have to have the easy runs balance with the quality, what they call quality sessions, which are workouts that might include some like warm up, cool down. But then in between it's all speed. Like you would might run really fast for a few minutes and then jog and then do it again or whatever.

And then she also programs peloton for me, which you know I'm really into peloton. And so she will have me do like a peloton tread workout or a strength session or a certain kind of ride. So today I'm going to do a hit and hills ride, you know, as an example. And so I really liked that too, because I didn't want to give that up in exchange. So she. Customizes it. She customizes it based on your lifestyle, based on like I do my long runs on Wednesdays traditionally. And so she, you know, schedules around that. And then she's kind of, she's built this community of athletes too.

Like we do events at like local running store, like Athletic Annex will meet up to a run and then have like a little event and we'll meet up before race, like race morning, get a picture chat with everybody. And I just met so many cool people through her. And I also know, you know, there's something in me that really wants to make her proud, too. Like, OK, I'm going to surprise Rachel and I'm going to surprise myself as a result. But like, can I do these workouts? And sometimes I'll look at a race plan and be like, that scares the shit out of me and and she's like, OK, so it's good.

And then there's another time I forget which race this is for. But I remember texting her and being like, hey, this doesn't scare me and it needs to scare me. So she adjusted it and I'm like, OK now it's scary. That's good because I want to just continue pushing myself. And so, you know, usually I mention her, I feel like almost every episode people have heard me talk about how I really do believe in that coaching. And now Chrissy D, who I mentioned earlier, she's now has this blonde runs coaching. And there's a couple other people I know who have now started doing coaching locally.

So there's just this community of people who can help and it's, you know, I think the average cost of a coach is like 100 bucks a month, ish, maybe more. And so to me, it's just it's worth it. I don't, I don't go to a gym. I do everything on my own. Of course I do pay for my Peloton membership, but it's just it's really worth the investment in myself and I love it. It's awesome. So I don't know if everyone knows exactly what you used to do. You know for your job you were really successful in in sales and then in the tech space.

So maybe just briefly touch on that and then how you came about to start Athlete Bouquets and then you know how that morphed into a starting around podcast. Yeah. So I am, what I like to say, a recovering software sales person. My sister is still in software sales and so my parents are entrepreneurs had a software business. So that's kind of where I get the nerdiness of like the software side of me. And so I remember kind of always having an entrepreneurial spirit and my dad telling me, hey, if you ever want to have your own business, you need to learn how to sell. So that's how I ended up getting into sales.

And I spent the better part of a decade at several different companies of various sizes, one being larger, like Exact Target, now Salesforce, that was the biggest company I worked for. And then some smaller businesses. But you know, come 2020, I just was so burnt out. Even before that, I just kind of felt like I was trying to find my place and I did have a lot of success and I was making great money, which I miss, but it just wasn't quite doing it for me. And I think it took the pandemic to show me that there was just so much more to life. Like, if you remember those early days, the pandemic, like walking the kid, like kid around the block, like coloring, which I just there was.

It slowed everything down and I think just made me look at my life differently and be like, wow. And I remember talking to her like I prepared for this meeting with a big company that I had like, worked my way to get in the door. And I prepared for days for this presentation. And I get on. There's like one person on video who I think was the woman who was, like helping me, like get all the right people in the room. And nobody else turned their video on. Nobody asked any questions. And I remember staring at my office while being like, what in the hell am I doing with my life like this?

This sucks. Literally nobody cares. Literally no one cares at all about what I'm selling, what I'm talking about. I'm giving my all, trying to help. And I just kind of, at that point was like, you know what, Screw this. I don't. I'm not happy. And I'd been unhappy before. My husband, you know, we've been through these changes in my jobs. And, you know, he's kind of like, I'm pregnant with Sloan at this time. And he's like, why don't you know, what are you doing then? He has a great job in corporate America, which is what allows me to do this now. But so I left my job for the first time without having another job, which was kind of scary.

But at the same time, Zach has a great job. And I was just scrolling through Instagram and saw a bouquet of flowers that had goo in it, which is energy gels, right? And then and I thought, oh, that's so cute. And it just led me down this Google rabbit hole of like, are there other things out there like this? My friend Megan who passed away, she was my best friend from from Miami. She when I ran the Chicago Marathon. I don't know the first no. The when I was running with Zach got me like flowers, like shade in a Margarita glass delivered to my work and a nice note like wishing me luck in the Chicago Marathon.

I just remember how good that made me feel because she didn't run day in her life, never probably ran at all and but she knew it was really important to me, right and so. Runners, we know. We know. It's important to us, so we gift each other stuff and. But that's kind of how the thought process like behind it was like, people, this is a big freaking deal. Running a marathon is a huge accomplishment. You know, whatever, 1% point, 1%, whatever the metric is of like people in the world that do that. And so yeah, I just started ordering stuff on Amazon and putting prototypes together and texting my running friends on like do you like this?

How much would you pay for this? Like what else would you want in it? And, you know, now it's been three years since I first started it started on Etsy and now I sell on my website. And you know, I I really had this inkling that I wanted to start a podcast for a while. Like I mentioned my friend Teresa who had just, you know, was inspiring to me. And I I was talking to my sister Casey about it and she's like, why don't you just do it? Because that's kind of how Athlete Bouquets was. I was like, just do it. Like what are? Who cares?

What's the worst thing like? What's the worst thing that happened? It doesn't work. It doesn't work something else or look for something else that makes you happy, right? There's always jobs like I knew, especially sales job, I'm like I could always go sell. I can always do that. It's always there. And so that's what gave me the confidence just like, OK, I can always go back and do that. And having this, like, baby, at the time, it was like, almost made it, like, easier because, you know, I feel like society doesn't understand or looks down on breaks in your resume. Right. Like, it's a red flag instead of, like, actually, I needed that time to reset and figure out what I want to do.

That was seen as something bad. But now I could use the baby as an excuse. Oh, yeah. So that was a little better. It was like, I'm using Sloan. I'm using Sloan. Thanks, Sloan. But I was like, oh, you know, that way I'll just spend some time with her, do whatever I want. And I can always go back and be like, well, yeah, I had a baby. So that's why. Yeah, I didn't work or whatever, so I so I ended up talking to my friend Rachel who does the intro to this podcast, which I don't mention enough actually, that she does it because people will be like, Oh yeah, I was wondering like is that your voice?

And I'm like, yeah, well, gonna finish lines and milestones. No, I I I'm watching TV and I swear and you know, I don't know if you ever asked her but I swear she like her voice is on AT mobile commercial because it's like that. Yeah, she, yeah. And so Rachel Rachel, who's on One O 3 Hot FM up in Grand Rapids, MI, was like, I can do your intro. I can do your music, I'll show you how to, you know, publish it, whatever. And I'm like, OK, so between that and, like, having a list of people in my head that I then put on a spreadsheet, I was like, OK, I can do this.

I just start talking to people about running. Yeah. Were you scared that at some point you wouldn't have people to ask? No. Really. Yeah, that would be. My fear? Oh, I have my spreadsheet. It's hard because now, like, I'll just meet people or somebody will tell me, oh, you need to have so and so and so now, like, even the initial list, I haven't even gone back and revisited half of the people that I put on my list to begin with. That's amazing, but I don't want to say that was my fear for you. But that would have been my fear for me. And I even, like, reached out to people I know because you don't know, like on Facebook Messenger.

I was like, hey, my friend, starting a podcast. Is so cool. Oh, I did because you did, Betsy. Betsy Yeah, I've had some people turn me down. But but yeah, I did. Initially I was like, hey, I know some really cool people that like to run or people I'm connected with on Facebook. And I was like, oh, they would be really good for. Yeah, well, I can't remember which which episode Betsy was, but she we found out we'd met each other before. Through your. Friend through my friend Megan. So. So it was, like, really wild, Yeah. But anyway, yeah, go listen to that episode, she rollerbladed.

The Berlin Marathon. Well, I saw that on Facebook post and I was like, wow, she needs to talk. About that, Yeah, 'cause like what? I want to know more. Selfish. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Let's go. Oh, my gosh. Can you imagine if we did that? No, but that is on my one of my things I want to do with you so. Excellent. OK. So you you talked about that. I would just like to start by just here's one thing I wrote down for you. I would like to know a running goal that you have for yourself. Yeah, that you might be scared to say out loud.

I started saying it out loud. Oh, then let's. Hear it. I want to qualify for Boston. I knew. I think that would be it. I for the longest time just had it kind of in the back of my mind and for the longest I was like, no way. That's never going to ever happen. My my marathon PR right now is just under 4 hours and to qualify you need to run in my age group, I'm 37, run a 335 and realistically you need to run like a sub 3:30 because the buffer timing and whatever like to make sure you get in. But after I ran the full at the Monumental in 2022, that was the first full marathon I ran after Sloan.

And after having a running coach, OK, I ran in just over 4 hours. OK. And left that feeling like I'd never finished a marathon before. And like, felt OK. And not because I didn't push myself at the end, but like because I trained it properly and my body was like able to do that. And then with my half last year, I finally PRD again in the half. You know, my my previous PR. We should talk about that trip because you were on it. Because it was bad, bad race for you, really awful race. But yeah, so I just never thought I was going to, you know, break that barrier of that PR again after kids.

And I did. And then my coach text me like what the breakdown of that would be if it translated into the marathon, which, you know, you have your head. You don't run the same pace across all the distances. Was, which was something I also didn't understand. And now I understand, like, your marathon pace is the slowest of all of those, 'cause you can run 3 miles, a heck of a lot faster pace than you can run 26.2. And so she said she like, showed me and I thought, huh, Wow. So it translates into a time that could be a Boston qualifier. And so I started thinking, huh, OK, yeah.

So I still don't have a plan. I don't have my next marathon on the calendar yet, but I would. I would like to qualify for Boston and go run and hopefully I'm going to. I'm trying to swindle Ashley into being in that mix. Oh yeah, she thinks she can't qualify. She tried once at Carmel, but it was really bad weather that that year and she still got a heck of APR. Yeah, but I know, I know she can get back there. Oh yeah, she has, you know, 4. Kids, that would be amazing if you guys could. I want to do it, you know? It'd be so fun to be able to go with her, yeah.

I know you've mentioned before too, like maybe. Are you 38 yet? Or no July, OK. So like 40 is another. Right. Is the other. And so I've had people be like you don't have to wait, just do it or you know there is that buffer there, then you get additional time. So you know either or. Let's just keep training. Just going to keep trying to get faster. And you're doing that. Yeah, it's weird, but it's so great. And I think now too. I realize I thought that I way past my prime. But you're not. Realistically, this is like when a lot of women have their best, you know, their best years of speed.

And so that gives me, in talking to a lot of people on this podcast, has given me a lot more hope for myself. That's like, oh OK. Or a lot of people have just they started running later in life in their 30s and 40s, or after kids. Yes, exactly. Or I had Nicole Dobronski on this podcast. She, it took her, gosh, over a decade to qualify for Boston. I mean, just her persistence and now the buffer messed her up. So she has to do it again, which she will. But you know, it's it's those stories that give me like, OK, like I can go after that too.

Awesome. So I am, and I'll drag you out there with me to cheer. Oh, I'll come. Yeah. You mentioned like Utah. Yeah. Utah, Utah was my previous half PR. We did a run Revel race. Big Cottonwood, yes. And it was you and me. It was Ashley Schwab who lives here with us. And then it was we were the only three from Mindy. Yes, because I remember the pictures. And then Selena, What's her last name? Now? I don't know how to say it. Shoot B, Selena B, Selena B. Selena B, who lives in Austin, TX. Then we have Betsy, who's in Chicago, Laura, who's in Chicago and Ha, remember ha, so lovely.

Philly. Philly. With she lives in Philly with Kim. And then Kim, yeah, And then Kim. So we all we kind of had this name for ourselves. And accidental. Runners. We had this like little little crew that we have yet to get back together after we've all started having children. It's just been so hard, but we've done it a little bit. So we all went out to Salt Lake City. We all met up there. You invited me. Yeah, I invited you. Early on, yeah. I don't like you wanted to do this running race with me out in Utah. I was like, sure, let's do it. OK, down a mountain.

It sounds fun. With a bunch of randoms, sure. Sounds good. That's that's Alyssa for you right there. Sure, whatever. And yeah, so we all went out to Salt Lake City. We did a seven mile hike the day before. You remember that? Yeah, it was beautiful. It was beautiful, but I was kind of like and everyone else was like, yeah, let's just hike for hours. Soaked in a random hot spring. And it's not like the Hot Springs you think of like that are commercialized. It was like it. Was like in the middle of nowhere. They're like, I don't know. Didn't it take us a while to find it?

Yeah, I think so. But it was little. It was. It was like a hot pond. It was like a hot pond. It was. It was. Kind of cool. I don't know. I don't know. I feel like Kim, Selena, Laura, but they're like, they're definitely more Naturey than I am. That sounds so weird, but if you know what I'm saying, like a little bit more like laid back. Like sure, I'll get in a hot pond and I probably wouldn't have sought that out had I not been with them. Also, for the hiking, I love hiking, don't get me wrong, but we did a seven mile hike.

Which seven mile hike is no joke? The day before the race, you didn't remember that. I mean, I remember the hike, but I. We saw moose at, thee at. The. End or at the top or whatever, which wasn't even really a top anyway. It was a great hike. But girls, come on. Yeah. And some of them were doing the full marathon. Did you do half? Yeah, half. You actually did the half. I think the rest of the women did the full right? But they bust you up to the top of a mountain. You can see the stars. It was so cold. And we had the space blankets on, like the reflective blankets to stay warm.

But yeah, and then we just run down a mountain and Alyssa spent half the time in a Porta Potty I. Did, but it was still my work, like maybe my fastest. I think I got done in like an hour and 57 minutes or something. I was like, this would have been my PR had I not used the bathroom. And I thought it was because I was AII think I did a lot of like those acclimate like those little drinks. That's what it was called. I was trying to think of the name of it. Yes, the other day. Because when you prepare, I know you talk about your is it peanut butter toast.

Like she has her routine and like me too I try and but everyone wants to use the bathroom before they go. Being out in Utah and like trying to make sure you're good with the elevation. I think I was drinking everyone brought stuff like these are like tablets you dissolve in water and they'll help you with the elevation change. So I think I overdid it with all the things and yeah I think I stopped like 6 times at one point. Remember the 1st stopper 2. I think it was the first two stops. Since you're going downhill, it's not too bad to catch up. And I don't know if you guys slowed down for me or not, but I literally, like, went in quick, went to the bathroom and then I sprinted, sprinted.

To. Catch back up with you guys and then after like the third time I was like, I'm I'm just go. Yeah, I know. I I vaguely do remember. And I don't know if we like, slowed. I don't know. I think we just kept going. I think I I literally, I think sprinted to get to which? Wasn't helping your stomach probably there. Correct. Yeah. So. It was still fun. It was so fun acclimate. I was trying to think of that. I found that on Amazon and was like and since when I've been out West too like I I do have issues with the altitude but I didn't have any issues.

Maybe as you get older, maybe that's it. That might be a thing, yeah. Yeah. So when you mentioned, oh, you wanted the rollerblading in Berlin for some reason, I think 'cause I like to drink beer, I want to do Berlin with you. Oh yes, we can go to Oktoberfest. Yes. So I I want to do that. That's something I want to do with you. And you didn't think they had a half marathon, But I Googled it, and they do. Well, the same day. I don't. I don't know. But we're going to be there a few days, so I think it's the same day. I'll have to catch that.

She's looking at me like I'm really silly, but. No, I'm just like trying. I'm like isn't. There, I don't know. I feel like I would have seen that. OK, but I'll double check. But I can commit to that or I can just commit to going to be a spectator as long as you or I I don't know about that either. I literally, I need scar. Look at that. I have a scar that's from ice skating with Sydney right there. Anything about your feet after? I rollerblading would tear my feet apart. Yeah, just the rubbing 'cause you know, if you're not a normal, like regular roller blader, you're going to get some chafing.

As long as you commit to the Oktoberfest, yeah, totally, I'll go. And who knows, maybe by then I'll be into running more and I can like, run and walk the marathon or something. But OK, whatever. I'm going to get you to run another marathon. We've you've touched on the Ragnar like in your podcast and I'm super looking forward to that. Yeah. And you're going to be our Sherpa because you've done it before. Couple other women have done it before that are on our team. We need to think of a good team name. Probably not right on that. I'm like, I feel like I'm not good at that, but.

I feel like I'm supposed to be good at that and I'm having trouble, like. Well what I'm going to I haven't done it yet but I'm going to get have our first get together meeting so we. Can. Oh yeah, we need to. Drink and have a good nice ideas out there for. You. Yeah. And there's there's women on the team that I've not met that you've not met that. It's like kind of a hodgepodge of runners. But that's what makes it really fun. It's just it's just such a great weekend and it's, you know, we have the All Women team and it's team building, It's uplifting and I'm super excited so I'll put that on my list to get that.

Did you drink bourbon during your during your Ragnar? I. Because you did the Bourbon Trail. Ragnar I did only once because one of my legs started at 4 Roses distillery and they did have taste one of them. One of the exchanges I waited in line but I never got it. But before I started my leg in front of Four Roses, I did drink some. And I think someone I took a picture and I said Gatorade or bourbon you. Take a picture I. Did I know? Alyssa doesn't take. Pictures. I don't take pictures. That's why we're That's why we're a good match. Because I take enough pictures for both.

But I did, because you couldn't tell. With the light, right. So that's funny. So I did drink a little bourbon before my my legs, but I was only running. I think I ran 3/5 mile five between 4:00 and Six Mile legs, so mine weren't too bad. Yeah. Well, you talked a lot. You made a Segway a little bit into the routine stuff. Oh yeah. I will touch on that because I think it's funny. Let's do it so I'm so nuts that I've literally and I want to know if there's other people have done this. Certainly there are. I brought my own toaster to a hotel room to make my toast the night the day before.

Wait, is this the hotel room before? Like the downtown Indy? Because you didn't know if they, well, they don't have toasters, I guess. Well, not in the yeah, not in your hotel room. So I didn't want to have to go downstairs, try to figure out what breakfast is going on. Like, I just wanted to have, I didn't want to leave my room and I wanted to have my go to breakfast. And I wouldn't be that picky in 1/2 marathon, really. I mean, I wouldn't go through all the trouble, but for a full I was like, I'm going to bring my toaster, have my bread and I the specific peanut butter I like is actually a Kroger brand crunchy with honey.

It's like honey crunchy peanut butter and it's so freaking good. And then a banana slice on top, which I don't really eat bananas other than putting it on. So you brought a butter knife? A banana? Does the banana have to like certain ripeness? I don't care, OK? Yeah, it's just the just got to get it down because I don't like. Did you bring some paper towels too, so you could, like, wear a plate? No. OK, OK, left the crumbs for the. I'm sure there's like something in there, like I put it on like a washcloth maybe or something like that. OK, so you had your toaster, Yeah.

Yes, So I do that. So in the morning it's like coffee, so you can poop. That's key. Pacing around like I, you know, I have trouble pooping. I know you do too. Sorry if you didn't want people to know that. Relax. Maybe. Dude, I took some yesterday and then I went to Meyer. It was a bad idea. Oh gosh. Anyway, we'll leave that there. But it's hard to, like, feel like you get it out and get enough out. And that's like the biggest stressor for me in the mornings. And just to like, yeah, be able to get up and wake up. I usually wake up earlier for a race than I normally would on an average day, usually because I don't really run in the mornings anymore, but to give my body enough time to do that.

And then I don't drink a ton of fluids the morning of just because I don't want to have to pee. Although usually I end up running out any sort of hydration. And then after races, I have specific, very specific things that I like as well. Go, oh, cheeseburger. No, I. Love Yeah. I love a good cheeseburger. Steak and Shake. Oh yeah, give me that. So cheeseburger is usually my post race meal. I also like right at the end. I like chocolate milk. Yep. I remember one year, and I've given our our race director Jed at the Monumental a hard time about this, I said. I specifically remember running the Monumental half finishing and then the chocolate milk was reserved for the full marathoners.

Only I was pissed. Wait, wait wait, wait. Did you ask for it and they wouldn't give it to you? Correct. Wow. I mean, she was just this latest, just doing her job. But I was not pleased. I should have just taken one and been like F you lady. I'm taking. It well, I ran and so I'm going to and you know, not everybody. I take it off of taking a medal from someone that finished. The right I'd be like Sir, you did the marathon, can you please, you know, but doing the half, you know, typically finishing around the same time as the winners of the marathon.

So there aren't, like, people readily available to help me with that. Anyway, I gave him a hard time when I first joined our board, 'cause I was like, I remember that and he said that they don't, you know, clearly now everything's for everyone, 'cause I was like, that was a really bad idea. I was very upset because that is what I want their. First meet board meeting. Like, wait, this needs to get out. There, like you need to make sure you have milk for everyone. Like, what the hell? Whose idea? Who made that decision anyway? I must have chocolate milk. I also really like Pechanga by Sun King, which is a local brewery.

I don't really love Cream Ale, which is another one of their beers. And so there was one year where they didn't have Pachanga. You got the Sun Cream King truck, and there's no Pachanga and I. Feel like it's a random what they have. It is. And I was like, I really just want a pachanga. Yeah, which usually beer. It depends on the race. Sometimes it takes me a while to warm up to having a beer. But, but, and I also really like potato chips, just lays just the salt. Yeah. That, that and the chocolate milk. Just potato chips and milk is good. Do you ever do the chocolate milk at home?

Like with you do a longer run. Yep, I will literally make sure it's in my fridge the night before. Or for the Sam Costa. I bought some at CVS and had it in my car. Wow. And kept it cool on ice. No, it was cold that day. So I just, you know, it's just in my car, but I will bring a cooler and keep it cold. OK, yeah, we'll have to get some of that for just. I mean, even with the Ragnar, I mean, oh, totally. It'd be fun because we also have a like shopping list and people divvy up what they're bringing. Oh, cool.

I know exactly what I need. Yeah. I also really like fruit snacks, though. So now like fueling during a race, I typically do goo gels. People sometimes have stomach issues with goo, and so they use other kinds. I use goo and then I just started using Maple syrup. This brand called Anderson's, They have pure fuel, which I'm now going to start putting in, in bouquets. And it's just Maple syrup. That's all it is. But it has the same, like number of carbs, etcetera, as goo does. Yeah, but I like salted watermelon goose or salted caramel goose. Have you ever taken a goo in your life?

Yes, I've I've had a goo, but you know me, I just run without like stuff. Yeah, I know you. Yeah. I think I had some goose. I have run one marathon and I think I had some goose and things and at that time and I think you're it was you that was like have the Margarita one. Oh yeah, I do like the Margarita blocks. I was. I think I've had blocks, yeah, I never. Flavor you can tell I like salty like a little bit of salty things and I've done salt stick like the cat. You can take these capsules that help replenish your body of that sodium that you sweat out that you still need.

And so I I I wish and I don't know I should look. They if they had like a salty Maple syrup, I feel like that would just be like my jam. Does Rachel you're running coach? Does she also help with nutrition at all or does she have like a side or just like mainly fuel for races? I mean, she could make recommendations based on what she's tried. My friend Christy, I believe, is doing more like specialized nutrition planning as a part of the coaching package. Yeah. So I think it depends too. Yeah, I I know Rachel feels with Morton Gels, which are these, like, it's a newer brand that's the fuel of choice at Boston.

Like, that's what they give out. But I like it. It's weird. It's very weird. A lot of these fuels are like kind of bizarre and some people just fuel with like fruit snacks or applesauce or just something that has the same kind of makeup when it comes to like carbs and things like that. But I try to be. I'm pretty particular about the things that I like. And anytime I've tried something different, like I remember once in Vegas, the other time I did the Vegas half, I tried this Gatorade goo and it was super liquid and I had no idea. So I like, rip it open and it just gets everywhere.

And you're like, This is why you don't try new things during a race. Yes, practice races. Yeah, so, yeah, So those are just a few of my, like, little nuances and the things that I really like because it's, I don't know, runners are weird, I think either you. Well, I don't know. I know you don't. You just are like whatever. Yes, I'm not typical, I. Don't know what is a typical runner anyway. Yeah, That's a good question. What I kind of like what you said, I don't know. I've never when I run I I just run to run. I I don't know. I don't think a lot of people talk about for stress relief or I've just never been really into it.

At one point I liked the race aspect. When I first started 5 Ki was like, I'm doing half. And then yeah, my whole full marathon thing was just on a whim, right, Like signing up for it. So I just, I've I I feel like I've never really gotten into it the way other people have or people get like psychological about it and I guess I've never. I've never. Which is a blessing too. And I wouldn't say I enjoy it, you know, I. Which is so funny because you'll, you know, it's like, oh, Zionsville half want to do. It yes, I I'm not a good trainer, I'll say that.

Well, you also own a dental practice and have two young children and you just moved. And there's a lot of things that it's like. Yes. I feel like in my life I'd have to do things at 5:00 or 5:30 in the morning and I never I had we moved. So potentially I can't get a treadmill now because I didn't have space for a treadmill in my house. So it was like I had to run outside at like 5:00 or 5:30 or at 8:30 PM so. Yeah, that's another thing people should know as I love running on the treadmill. Yes. Do you like running on the treadmill?

I. Do. And I would love to get the peloton. I need one. Yeah. Because I also like the aspect where people are telling me what to do. Yes, I don't like to think about, oh, I'm going to go to treadmill and do this. Like, I just like I had the Peloton bike and I I did like that, but I'm not into the biking so. I understand. I just did it, 'cause it was like the cool new thing, and it was something at home, and I could fit it in my house. And I think I was pregnant at the time with my first son. I was like, oh, this will be good.

Yeah. Just the for the pandemic, but I just wasn't using it. But treadmill I would use even if just walking, you know? Right. I mean, just to be doing something and they have walking classes, like all the classes are great. And then there's also like the they now have like they integrate with Netflix and all that, so you can just watch Netflix. Which is great, I could do that. They need to get Hulu so I can watch The Bachelor. On it? Oh yeah. 'Cause I have to use my phone or like Apple TVI Watch a lot on Apple TV and they I have to watch that on my phone.

But anyway, I digress. But I really like the treadmill, which I feel like is is unusual. A lot of runners hate the treadmill. They call it the dreadmill. And for me it's like, I don't know, I guess it's kind of how I started running in college too. I was on the treadmill all the time and so I don't know why I like it so much. I feel like I've done enough running in my life that, like it's something I can always do, even if I'm out of shape. Like I can make it through mentally. I have like the mental fitness for running. I can just, I know I can do it.

So that's what you know. At least something I've got. That's pretty. I mean, that's a lot. Do we have how much time do we have left ally? We have It's just over and it's been just over an hour, which means I should move the mouse. OK. Doesn't time out. Yeah. This quickly. What what would be your favorite race that you've done if you have one you've done tell me how many you've done because you know Ali's got like the coolest workout space down in her basement and she she's been she's sentimental with her races. She's got all of her medals and they're on display and they're beautiful.

So if you. Could do with your medals. I only have kept two now. I don't have. I haven't done a ton, but I've kept. The ones I've kept were my monumental marathon, the full marathon. So I was like, yeah, I should keep that one. And then I kept Utah because I loved Utah, the rebel race. And then what else have I kept? The Ragnar, Because that was a very memorable, unique experience. But the rest, I think I just like hand to my kids and they think it's cool for a little bit. They might be in a box somewhere. But those are the three that I've that you kept on too, because I was, I guess have met something.

Tonight, yeah. And I don't know that every medal I have is like, I've just done a lot of races now. So, you know, I don't know. I just kept them. And I kept my bibs too, for the most part. I'm sure there's some bibs I threw away earlier on, like now I keep pretty much every single one. But yeah, in my space I've got all these medals and I have a spreadsheet on Google Drive where I keep track of all the races I've done, all the times that I've run. And I I do that for halves and folds, not for I haven't really done a ton of five KS or 10 KS.

Yeah, I remember when I first met you because I was in the 5K space and I was like, will you run this with me and for first? Oh God, was I like, no, I don't. Pretty much, yeah. I mean, maybe not the first time I asked, but a few times. You're like, I don't honestly like it's not worth my time or I I don't know what you said, but. Probably not that, but something to that. Similar, that's what you meant. And I know the 15 KB ran. Did we do the? Indie women. We did the indie Women's in the Rain. That was our first half together.

Probably it was amazing. Oh my gosh. Well, it was pouring rain the whole time. Pouring rain. So now that race is owned by car and now is up in Carmel and they they're calling. They don't do it downtown anymore, no. Indiana Women's Festival is now in Carmel. I did it this last year. But yeah, when it was good when we did it, it was pouring rain. It did it. Did they shut it down? Yes, I think there was a lightning. Yeah. But people finished. And we got this picture of us like on the monument steps, or like steps somewhere we're drenched, like with utterly drenched.

Roses in our mouth, we. Have roses in our mouths because that was something they still do. They give it hand out roses in the finish, which I did like. It's very. I mean, we were splashing through. Oh, puddles. Awful. But it was fun. But it. Was so fun. Like, so funny how some of that can be, like, some of the best memories. It's hard because, like, there's different races that I like for different reasons, right? Like, you think about running down a mountain in Utah. That used to be my PR, So it used to be one of, like, the big highlights. But it was also just such a unique experience.

Beautiful. Yeah, beautiful. And then you've got Vegas, which is so cool. And I do that with my dad. And then in terms of full marathons, I've done Chicago four times, Indy once, New York City once, and then Marine Corps Marathon once, Which. You've talked to me about that. I feel like that was special, the Marine. Corps. Yeah, it's so nice. It's just really it's well, you've got, you're out there with the Marines, like they give you your medal at the end. It's just this you feel this like American pride, like running around the nation's capital. It's so cool. So I loved that some of the haves.

I talked recently this last episode because it was in the guys from Nashville about how I ran 1/2 marathon with Ashley for her Bachelorette party. Ashley and Selena, we did a, We did a for. Ashley's bachelor party. Oh, my goodness, in Nashville, some of the other girls were like, cool, we're not doing that. We'll be sleeping when you get back. You mentioned you went to Selena's wedding maybe two years ago in Austin. Yep, Austin. And you guys ran the whoever won the wedding run the day of her wedding. So special. I made her a shirt that said it's my wedding day or something like that on it.

It's so cute because it's. How cool is that? So yeah, she did a little 5K. She mapped it out, had us all meet, and it was super fun. And I wish, like, that would totally be something I would do. I just didn't know it was something you could do, you know? Like, plus, I don't think anybody in my bridal party would have done it, actually. Yeah, let's see. Maybe my sister-in-law, but none of my other bridesmaids run at all, which is kind of funny, actually. Yeah, well, New York was really special. New York City Marathon. Sorry to everybody who didn't get into the lottery. They only accepted 4% of people who applied for this year, which is crazy.

So I did it for charity, which is how I I did it because Ashley was doing it. And so I just thought, well, if she's going to go this year, I should do it. And then Selena and Kim had to defer and they signed up and for the next year. So I went back and we cheered, cheered them on. But anyway, so those are really special, just because they're so like the big marathons. And then Chicago where I got my first sub four, first and only sub 4 hour marathon, which is something that at the time I was like check, check that box, I've done a sub four, my work here is done and now it's not.

But you know, I remember that was the year we got married. So that was part of the reason I was in like really good shape. Zach surprised me and came up with Ashley's husband in Chicago and sadly I didn't see him while I was running. It's there's like over 1,000,000 spectators. So not knowing to look for him, yeah, but I did see him after I finished and it was really special. So yeah. And then running while pregnant is another highlight. That's what I was going to say was about Austin. So in Austin, TX, where Selena lives, we went down and ran the Austin half and we did that.

I did that with Selena, Kim and Laura and we, I was early pregnant. I was not even 12 weeks I don't think or like just shy or maybe just 12 weeks. And I hadn't told the girls yet. Kim had just told us she was pregnant. So I'm so excited because I'm like good. I get to go tell Kim that I'm pregnant too. And so that was really special. And I we made little signs that said baby on board for our We both were running with camelbacks to hydrate. That was really fun race and I remember eating Girl Scout cookies at the end and there's a post race finish photo of me that's one of my favorites because there's somebody's leg in the background.

It looks like a big Dick hanging down nice. It's so funny. And when you see it, is it all you see? Between your legs? Yes. Oh, nice. So like, somebody behind me has a leg down and just the picture, I'm like eating Girl Scout cookies and it's like a third leg and and actually, I don't think I've even noticed it when I posted it. And then people started being like, Oh my gosh, that's so funny. So. And then Zach and I ran the Mini when I was super pregnant with Sydney. Which wait, was that the same? Yeah, no, I ran two half marathons when I was pregnant with Sydney.

And then I didn't run any half marathons pregnant with Sloane, I don't think, because it was COVID Times. That's why Sloan is the way she is, then, yeah. Yeah, that's why she doesn't sleep. Yeah. So, yeah, such a wide variety. So I've done 57 half marathons and seven full marathons. Wow. Which is so cool. I've got to figure out, like, how many maybe I should strive for in my lifetime. But I also like. I don't know. Yeah. That's thinking really far ahead. So are we going to we'll do Berlin at some point? That'd. Be cool, Yeah. Because how many majors have you done? I've done 2 Chicago and New York.

OK, yeah, so Boston's on my list. I've said this before, I don't know if I care about doing them all. Yeah, that's fine. I want to go other cool places like Sydney might become a major Sydney, Australia. Oh, that'd be nice, but. That I want to take Sydney to Sydney. And so if we're going to go all the way to Sydney, you know, maybe it'll be around the marathon. Sorry, Zach. Well, it'll be a family trip. It'd be so cool to do that. And then I the Paris Marathon appeals to me. There's other places I want to go or like go back. To may not be a major.

That might not be a major, and majors now are so hard to get into. My brother in law's running London and Berlin this year because he got into both of them this year, so he's like. He's doing it. Yeah. So, and then I've I've run in a handful of states. Fargo was cool, 'cause I went. That was the my 50th state visited. So I've been to every state in the United States, but I've not run in every state. That is not necessarily a goal, but it'd be cool to just kind of keep doing different things. So Michigan, I've never done a race in Michigan. So I'll check that off in September when we do our Ragnar.

That's so. That'll be cool. Very cool, yeah. What about are we getting close to the end do? You want to be close to the end. I'm just kidding. I have to pee. I don't. No, we've still probably got oh, it's noon, though. Oh, how is it noon? We started a few minutes late. Yes, that's why. I feel like I don't have anything else kind of on my list on your. List. I guess what's your next race that you're doing? Your next. Carmel Carmel's The Next Race Okay, which is on the 13th of April. Which I loved listening to. Oh yeah. With Jay, he's. Wonderful. So nice.

He listens to this, I think. Still. And honestly, I again, I'm not really running races right now but I was like I should do caramel some year because it sounds it's it's really. Nice race, well done and. I'll be with you at the Expo. Yes, you're working at the Expo. Oh yeah, everyone will get to meet you. Are am I going to meet people? Yeah, hopefully. OK. Hopefully there will be people. There to the Expo, meet us. Please come say hi. I know. I have no idea really what to expect having my first booth at an Expo is. It going to Is it a big Expo?

I don't know how how long. 2000 runners, and it's the biggest one they've had to date. So there's more, there'll be more people. But I'm thinking to myself, OK, like if 1% of people stop by, that's like 60 people. Yeah, that's good. Hopefully there'll be more than that, right? But you're like, I have no idea, and I don't know what to bring, 'cause I don't know what people are going to buy or if they'll buy anything at all. But I do have some orders that people did in in advance to pick up at the Expo and you know, I'm like going all out, got all my stuff.

So I've. Been crocheting your background? I know. Your backdrop backdrop. Yeah, yeah, you people just have to come to see that. Hopefully it looks good. It will look good. It's so cool. I just have this ability to like visualize something and then make it. It's weird, but I can hence the hence the athlete bouquets. So yeah, I mean, I have really enjoyed being able to talk about myself because who doesn't enjoy talking about themselves? I don't know. I'm sure some people don't like it. Do you like talking about yourself? I would. I don't know. I I maybe. It's like the Type A people are like, yes, I could talk about myself all day.

Yeah, I'm more like small group kind of. I like to be. I don't know. I like to be in small groups. And you like random people? I do love random. I'm my I'm the person that's like, I'd go on a Bachelorette party with people I don't know and like, love it like I I don't know. I thrive in those environments. Which is weird because I don't which is, you know. I also like to just party and. I don't know. You just like people, which I don't really like. Yeah, I don't like big groups, raising my hand in crowds, that kind of stuff. But small I I thrive in small groups of 6 to 10 people or less.

Which is also I'll be on the microphone at at Carmel after I run. Oh cool. Yeah, yeah, saying. Stuff like, well you mentioned the other day you might be featured in like that magazine. Right like I. Just. I don't like that. See, like I would be like when he first said it might be like a cover. So I was kind of like that's that's a lot that feels like a lot even if it's like little Caramel magazine, right. But like just thinking about the number of people I know that would look like then see that I've been, I'm, I'm gaining more confidence in what I do now because I don't know I'm just.

Yeah. People like it. I know they do. And so I'm just trying to to get it out there more. And so that's kind of It's cool. It's cool. I know, I I've really enjoyed listening to your podcast. Thank you. And I think it's not just because I like you and I support you but I love listening to everyone that you've had on and I truly every person. I'm like that person's really awesome and I'm learning from them and I would want to be their friends. So I just, I've I've loved listening to their stories and slowly inside I'm always like oh I should do Caramel like I really it's just like have you mentioned over and over again.

It's such a great community and I loved getting to meet Eileen in person and it was so nice just meeting with them and I just loved I mean I loved her family, her kids and then just meeting everyone there. And there was a connection I made with someone that knew my husband in high school and I was like oh, I would love to be with her again. And so I think the little community within the running community that you are creating is, is really cool and I would love to do. I know there's a lot of, a lot of the people you've had on have had you know missions or things happen to them or they they want to donate to fundraisers.

Like I think if you know, I would love to help contribute to any of those or if you do mini runs again down in Carmel and then we can have get togethers. I think within this small community people would be willing to you know donate to those those in need and people wanting to fundraise for things. And yeah, I just, it was really great, I loved, I loved meeting the people that you've had on the podcast. So I don't know if you can do more of that. I got so much energy from that night. I mean, just like being around all those people at once is so energizing, and I need to find a better way, perhaps to, like, keep tabs on everybody who I've had on who is currently, like, fundraising for a race or who has a 'cause they care about.

That's like, you know, always, like, like with Colleen, I always go support her, buy a shirt, donate to Riley. I need to have, and I've talked about aggregating not just like, maybe some of that, but also like all the mantras and all the songs. I have a playlist that I actually use while running now. But have you put that out there for people? Yet I have, and I don't promote it a lot actually. OK, so I should do that. But I I I mostly don't because I'm bad at updating it. I need to update it after every episode where I know a song. I think it'd be cool to the mantras that you collected, even put them on a shirt or something.

I need to like what I want to do. My vision for that is to have maybe like a landing page or something that just has all the mantras and like continue to add to that but then make tattoos like of all the mantras and just have a collection like a finish lines and milestones collection of mantra tattoos and. You found your tattoos that you can like, make and. So I did. I found out I have and I have run the mile you're in, which is my favorite mantra, which now I. Just can I buy a tattoo of that now? Yeah, you can. OK 'cause I had to buy 200 of them.

So so you should buy one. OK. Awesome, but now can you? Have those that are you going to have. I will track them though. And and I also am trying out some designs for Caramel, where Sticker Mule is a company that makes stickers and packing tape that I use and they now have tattoos that you can buy in smaller quantities. OK, so it's the ink box, which I use for our tattoos at our group trip to Mexico. Those are very expensive and so I needed to find something that I can order a small number of that aren't like super pricey that'll last through a marathon.

So that's kind of hard. So the run, the Mallory and tattoos are awesome. They've my friend Ashley who was on this podcast. Ashley Haynes used them during 100 mile race and it didn't much in the rain. So I was like, no, but a competitor ink box that I that I used. So that was great. Anyway, I could ram, I could do this all day. You got to go get your kids who went to build-a-bear and then we got to go see baby goats today. Oh, you're going to go, I'm going to go. Sydney's getting off the bus. I'm going to go like, who doesn't want it?

And then you the. Video That's what got you in, right? I'm sold. I saw those baby goats jumping a little and I was like, yeah, I'm. Going to I have a thing for baby animals. I I joke, but I'm not joking. Whenever I'm with Allie, I'm like. Everything on my Facebook feed or Instagram is like baby animals or it's like, you know, a sloth that's like in the middle of the road and humans are trying to save animals. Like that's all that mine's flooded with. So I'm a baby animal girl. So, well, I can't wait till we. Hold a baby goat today I. Was going to say let's hold baby goats and then let's get we're going to get Brother Dogs from the same breeder.

Oh yes, that's our next. That's our next life goal once, well, when our sweet dudes pass. I know, man. Well, thanks so much for taking time out of your day off to do this. I'm not done though, 'cause I need your mantra. Oh, that's right. The run you're in and well, no one cares and no one cares. Oh yeah, no one cares. And if you haven't heard the story behind that, it actually started before Laura Mcgreen, who now has kind of brought that phrase into the running world. She's hilarious if you don't follow her on Instagram. What's her name? Laura Mcgreen is her Instagram name.

And she's she says no one cares cause nobody cares about your finished times. But you like really? In reality, you know, especially when you're not a professional runner. It's like, nobody cares. Like, relax. Or like, I sound sounds dumb, but I think of that when I'm, like, getting ready. I'm like, this shirt doesn't really go with these pants. And I'm like, yeah, no one's going to look at me and be like, wow, that Lady doesn't know how to dress that. Color blue, not quite tying in there. Yeah. Like nobody. And I think about that with acne which I know you struggled with acne. I like look at my face and I've got a zit and I'm like you know I if I see you have a zit, I don't even notice.

Yeah exactly. And but for me, I feel like it's this big glaring sign on my head and and people just. Don't hit you like that. And so that mindset has just kind of helped me in a lot of ways. Yeah, nobody cares. I go. I go out to the bus stop in my pajama wearing UFOs and socks and my giant sweatshirt that doesn't match my pajama pants. And it's just like, yes, this is who I am. Who cares? I am doing what I love. I always thought I would stay and do what you love and do what I was doing before. And I'm so glad that I just am like society.

Maybe they want me to do that in my mind, but I'm just going to do what I want to do. So yeah, no one cares. Run the mile you're in, which also run the mile you're in applies to life, too, which I like. And then my next finish line is at Carmel and milestone I got to qualify for Boston someday. Maybe I'll do a full later this year. So no full that you're signed up for? Right. But I would, I keep saying I'd like to do it. It's more like, when can I tell Zach that I'm going to sign up for a marathon? Yeah, well.

It's hard. It's hard to think about just, you know, the whole summer than is dedicated like every. But I try to do my long runs during the week so it doesn't impact our family as much. Anyway, I digress. Let's go. You go get your kids. Baby goat. Got a pack for three breaks. Happy Easter, everybody. It'll be after Easter. Well, yeah, it'll be after Easter when you hear this. So I hope you had a great Easter. The eclipse will be coming up. Hopefully. We don't have cloudy weather. And thanks everybody for listening. Thank you for listening. Happy running. Come see me at Carmel April 12th at the Expo.

Bye, bye. Yay.

Ally Brettnacher