Episode 100: Lindsey Hein - I'll Have Another

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Listener note: This episode includes discussion of miscarriage, BRCA-related preventive surgeries and family cancer history.

For my 100th episode, Lindsey Hein of I'll Have Another joins me to talk 17 marathons, four boys, nearly 600 podcast episodes, and the hustle of recording interviews in a YMCA chapel.

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About this episode

Lindsey Hein is the host of I'll Have Another with Lindsey Hein, a running podcast she launched in 2016 that was closing in on 600 episodes when we recorded, and the founder of Sandy Boy Productions, the network this show is part of. She grew up in Bloomington, Indiana, lived in Indianapolis for years and now lives in Raleigh, North Carolina, with her husband Glenn and their four boys. She has run 17 marathons with a PR of 3:11:52.

We go all the way back to Lindsey crying before her first high school cross country meet, qualifying for Boston at her first marathon in San Diego, and running three marathons within a year of her first son's birth. Lindsey opens up about two early miscarriages, being BRCA2 positive and choosing preventive surgeries, and her work with the Donna Foundation. We also talk about how she built her podcast while recording in closets and a YMCA chapel, the pros she still wants to interview, and we finish with a runner's game of Never Have I Ever.

In this episode, we discuss

Celebrating 100 episodes and our live podcast event before the Indy Mini
Why the Indy Mini is a rite of passage for Indy runners
How Lindsey met her husband Glenn working at the Village Deli in Bloomington
Starting cross country at Bloomington North after a friend's invitation
Qualifying for Boston at her first marathon, Rock 'n' Roll San Diego, in 2008
A tough Boston in 2009 and signing up for the Monumental full at the expo
Two miscarriages and a misdiagnosis on her path to becoming a mom
Running until the day before her first son was born
Three marathons within a year postpartum and a 3:11:52 PR in 2017
Starting I'll Have Another in 2016 and recording in a YMCA chapel
Landing her first pro interviews and the athletes she still hopes to book
Live shows in New York and interviewing Paula Radcliffe
Being BRCA2 positive and choosing preventive surgeries
Her work with the Donna Foundation and the Donna Marathon
A runner's game of Never Have I Ever and her casual 75 Hard

Chapters

00:00 · Intro
05:05 · Episode 100 and our Indy Mini live show
13:00 · Who is Lindsey Hein
19:59 · Meeting Glenn at the Village Deli
23:55 · High school cross country
25:52 · First marathon in San Diego
34:15 · Boston 2009 and Monumental
39:20 · Becoming a mom
45:00 · Running through pregnancy and postpartum
48:30 · Her 2017 marathon PR
55:15 · Starting I'll Have Another
58:50 · Interviewing pros
1:05:10 · New York City Marathon and live shows
1:14:50 · BRCA and preventive surgeries
1:32:40 · The Donna Foundation
1:34:50 · Never Have I Ever, runner edition

Where to find Lindsey

Podcast: I'll Have Another with Lindsey Hein
Sandy Boy Productions

Mentioned in this episode

Races: OneAmerica Indy Mini Marathon, Rock 'n' Roll San Diego Marathon, Boston Marathon, CNO Financial Indianapolis Monumental Marathon, New York City Marathon, Lower Potomac River Marathon, Rehoboth Beach Marathon, Shamrock Marathon, Philadelphia Marathon, Donna Marathon, Marine Corps Marathon, Indiana Women's Running Festival, Firecracker 6, Blue Ridge Marathon, Big Sur International Marathon, Bayshore Marathon, Carmel Marathon
Organizations and charities: Sandy Boy Productions, Donna Foundation, Back on My Feet, Linking Indy Women, New York Road Runners, Every Mother Counts, Bottleworks Hotel, Ainsley's Angels
Other: Ali on the Run, Serial, Happy Hour with Jamie Ivey, Sara Hall, Paula Radcliffe, Des Linden, Molly Ludlow, Women's Running magazine, 75 Hard, My First Song by Jay-Z, Memories by David Guetta and Kid Cudi

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Frequently asked

Who is Lindsey Hein?

Lindsey Hein is the host of the running podcast I'll Have Another with Lindsey Hein, launched in 2016, and the founder of Sandy Boy Productions; she is from Bloomington, Indiana, lives in Raleigh, North Carolina, has four boys and has run 17 marathons.

What is Lindsey Hein's marathon PR?

Lindsey Hein's marathon PR is 3:11:52, which she ran at the Monumental Marathon in Indianapolis in 2017, about a year after having her third son.

What is Lindsey Hein's connection to the Donna Foundation?

Lindsey Hein has been an advocate and fundraiser for the Donna Foundation, which supports people going through breast cancer, and has gone to its Donna Marathon in Jacksonville every year since 2018.

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Ally Brettnacher: this is a Sandy Boy Productions podcast. Welcome to Finish Lines and Milestones, a podcast that celebrates the everyday runner. I'm your host, Ally Brettnacher. If you run, you are a runner, and every runner has a story. Join me each week as I share these stories and we cross finish lines and celebrate milestones together.

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Hello, and welcome to episode 100. This is Ally And I decided it would be brilliant to learn a new podcast editing tool for my 100th episode so that I could have video. So for the 10 of you who might see this video somewhere, here it is. I really want to take this podcast to the next level, but it is really hard work.

And so bear with me as I do that. But welcome to the 100th episode. I cannot it. Believe that it's been a hundred episodes. It has flown by because I'm having so much fun So thank you to everybody who has listened whether this is your first time your hundredth time. Thank you mother I just can't do it without you.

So thank you so much for listening And I'm so excited because this week I have Lindsey Hein as my guest and I've been listening to Lindsey's podcast I'll have another with Lindsey Hein Forever. She has almost been doing it for nine years now. And we're planning a big event the evening before the Indianapolis Indy Mini, which is a half marathon and 5k it part of it.

Part of the half marathon runs around the Indianapolis Motor Speedway. And the night before we're hosting a live podcast at the Bottleworks Hotel in downtown Indianapolis. And we've sold over half of the tickets at the time of this recording, which is Thursday, March 20th. And there's only 100 tickets.

So if you're listening to this close to when it comes out, just know that you better go get a ticket because we're going to sell this event out. So if you're thinking about it. Go do it. We have a big giveaway that we're going to announce on Monday, March 24th. So go make sure that you're a part of that as well.

And I wanted to give a special thank you to my best friend, Alyssa, who I don't know if she still listens. She was never a podcast person and Definitely listen to early episodes. But if you're listening to this, Alyssa, I love you so much. She sent me my favorite flowers, tulips, these gorgeous tulips to celebrate my 100th episode.

So thank you so much, friend, for supporting me and cheering me on. And thanks to my mom and dad who always listen. Even my mom, who's not a runner anymore, but used to be, and my husband who doesn't listen, but makes this possible. So it's been so fun. All right. Now for this week, I had Lindsey Hein and to me, she's like a celebrity.

I can't believe I have the opportunity to be working with Hein with Sandy Boy Productions, her podcast network. It's brought a lot of opportunities for me to have sponsors for this podcast. And again, for us to do this really awesome event coming up on May 2nd and hopefully other events. throughout the year and in years to come, who knows, but I'm really energized and excited by it.

And Hein has been running since she was 15. So we really go through her whole journey, have a lot of content. She's run 17 marathons. She's a mom of four boys. She is from Indiana, but now lives in Raleigh, North Carolina. And at the end of this episode, we play a fun game. The never have I ever runners version.

So stick around for that. And stick around for the future of finish lines and milestones. Again, so glad you're here. And if you do enjoy this podcast, please rate, review, share. That's how more people find.

The show, and apparently through video too. So here you go. I hope you enjoy this episode with the one and only Lindsey Hein

Oh my gosh. Lindsey Hein is on my podcast. This is a dream. Am I dreaming? I knew you were going to laugh at that. Yeah, I can't believe that. This is episode 100. I never imagined making it this far, and then I was telling you this, but I can't believe that you spoke for Linking Indy Women, this women's organization that I used to run in Indy on March 21st, seven years, exactly before this episode is coming out on March 21st this year.

It's just so weird. And I believe in weird stuff like that. I just feel like that's a little God wink ~this is meant to be. It's how it's meant to be. This is meant to be.~

Yes. And I was like pregnant at that event and just seems like a totally different phase of life, honestly.

Yeah. ~Who, ~which kid were you pregnant with then? My last.

Lindsey Hein: My fourth. Yep. I was, cause he's about, he's six, so ~he's, ~he'll be seven this summer and it was the first time I like wrote a speech and learned how to really put together a talk public speaking wise. And yeah, that was a really cool experience for me.

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah. Which is so wild to think about. ~Like that was like your first~

riverside_lindsey_& ally _ mar 19, 2025 001_finish_lines & mile: I was only two and a half years into my podcast.

~Yeah. ~I was like, really? ~Yeah. ~Truly, pretty early,

Ally Brettnacher: early days. Yeah, it was. And I feel like for me though, I had been listening to your podcast from the very beginning. ~I can't remember how I found it to begin with~

I felt like I can remember the first time I thought this was the first time that I met you anyway, in my head at like Indy women's expo, you had a booth there or like a little tent. And I remember being so nervous and going up to you and introducing myself.

Yes. I, so I don't think we knew each other before that because I, in my mind and still in my mind, you're like this local running celebrity to me. And now you're just this national running celebrity. I know you don't feel that way, but it's literally, it's like, who haven't you interviewed?

Lindsey Hein: ~I will tell you, ~I knew who you were before then because, you fundraised for Back on My Feet.

Ally Brettnacher: Did I?

Lindsey Hein: You did something with Back on My Feet. Yeah, I did something in the early

Ally Brettnacher: days of Back on My Feet.

Lindsey Hein: You did something with back on my feet and so I knew you were

Cause I was like very much like in back on my feet stuff.

I was very, anybody who like. Donated or volunteered or fundraise. Like I knew your name for sure.

Ally Brettnacher: And that's how I feel right now about everybody who's registered for our event, for the Indy mini, I'm like sending texts to people who registered that I know, or messages to be like, thank you so much.

So just know everybody, if you haven't registered yet, we know that you haven't registered.

Lindsey Hein: Yeah. ~We see that your name is not on that list.~

Ally Brettnacher: So get it together before there's no tickets ~because we will sell this event out. ~

Lindsey Hein: So I'm pretty excited. We've sold 38 tickets in less than 24 hours, and we only

Ally Brettnacher: ~have a hundred.~

~So yeah. ~I'm actually worried because I'm like we have a hundred for people to get, but then we also have our sponsors to fit in the room and I'm just like, okay, it's going to be the best.

Lindsey Hein: Yeah I am definitely not a rule follower, so I am the person that will be like, we can fit five more.

~It's no big deal. ~Just come on in, register at the door.

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah. ~We'll see. I~

Lindsey Hein: think that I, might be a frustrating person to work with in that regard because I do not follow the

Ally Brettnacher: rules.

~And ~I'm the exact opposite, which is why I think in some ways we work together well because I am like the rule follower, firstborn, like through and through , like I am always following the rules

Lindsey Hein: you know, Ally you beg for forgiveness you do the thing and You can at least get away with it once

Ally Brettnacher: yeah, you know

riverside_lindsey_& ally _ mar 19, 2025 001_finish_lines & mile: what I mean?

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah, I guess

Lindsey Hein: and runners are usually like Look, if there's no seats left to sit on the floor, you'll be fine.

Ally Brettnacher: That's, that is really true.

Yeah, so it's going to be a blast for anybody who doesn't know. It's the night before the Indy Mini on May 2nd. And if you don't know what the Indy Mini is, if you're not local, you gotta come in town for it sometime. It runs around the Indianapolis Motor Speedway, which is where the Indy 500 is. And It's just iconic, as I think we've mentioned before.

~It's like this amazing rite of passage, I think is what you call it, Lindsey, and I think that's a perfect example. ~

riverside_lindsey_& ally _ mar 19, 2025 001_finish_lines & mile: Yeah, it's a rite of passage. If you live in Indy, or think you have any kind of association with Indy, you have to have done this race. I got really excited because one of the people.

Who have bought tickets because we, again, are stocking the list. Diane from New York. She said, Oh, I'm coming in from New York. I've never done this race. And I started telling her about how cool the entertainment is on course. And then just how cool it is to run on the iconic Indy 500 track. And I'm like, Oh, I'm really proud of this race.

I'm really proud to be from Indianapolis. And like the on course entertainment, I will say is very Indiana. And I think there's something really special about it. Like you have old ladies clog. Yeah. They are the best at one point the best you have 12 year old kids in like Punk rock bands on the course like it is just and then of course there's like lots of church bands along the course as well I just feel like it's really cool.

And I don't know that you could sell me on a better half,

Ally Brettnacher: ~right? It's just ~it's The perfect half I've done it. This will be my 17th time, which is wild to me.

Lindsey Hein: Yeah. A lot. Yeah. If you're a runner in Indy and I feel like back in the day, people would be like if they got into running, they'd be like, I don't do the mini it's too crowded.

I'm like, don't be so don't be elitist. Don't be too cool.

Ally Brettnacher: ~Anymore it's ~I don't, really try to go fast at the mini because there are a lot of people and we have so many great races in the Indy area that ~it's ~it's just a fun, just such a fun vibe and experience. To be a part of. ~So~

riverside_lindsey_& ally _ mar 19, 2025 001_finish_lines & mile: yeah, I'd go for the party

Ally Brettnacher: for sure.

~Yeah. ~

riverside_lindsey_& ally _ mar 19, 2025 001_finish_lines & mile: ~Over, ~over the time. But if you do want to run a fast time, just try to get right, get in the fast car and you can fly.

Ally Brettnacher: Good luck. That's right. ~That's right. Yeah. ~So I'm sad that you're not going to actually run the mini, but you will be announcing at the five.

You still might. Don't get my hopes up.

Lindsey Hein: ~Yeah. ~Yeah. I don't know which one it is yet. ~I'm either, I am going to work with the mini. ~I'm either going to run the race and document it, document kissing the bricks and all that the track, or ~I, ~they said that they might need me to do 5k announcing. I said, I will do whatever you need me to do.

Ally Brettnacher: I want you to run with Ainsley's angels with our group. ~Cause ~

riverside_lindsey_& ally _ mar 19, 2025 001_finish_lines & mile: ~I will ~

~if I, can. ~So listen, if you're listening guys, come to our event. That's what we're saying. It's going to be special and fun. We have amazing goodie bags and I just think it's going to be a really cool, like tight knit, intimate.

Ally Brettnacher: I agree. And I really want this to be something we can do as a tradition year over year and perhaps before the monumental marathon in November. So it's just really, I'm so energized by it. I know you are too. And I just love texting back and forth and being like, Oh my gosh, we're up to this many tickets ~like ~already.

And it's just, it's really encouraging and it's ~going to be. It's just ~going to be so much fun and the perfect way to kick off that weekend too. I feel like, yeah,

~Them how to like spectate, help them make signs, show them where to go be a whole nother yeah.~

Lindsey Hein: And shout out to bottle works. Cause that is where the event is. And Allie and I will be staying there that weekend. It's going to be, it's just like such a cool spot.

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah.

riverside_lindsey_& ally _ mar 19, 2025 001_finish_lines & mile: On Mass Ave right there. And like just so many cool things in the area. So we're super, yeah, they

Ally Brettnacher: are now a Michelin key.

So Michelin key is to a hotel. What a Michelin star is to a restaurant. So they are a Michelin key hotel. I think that was last year that they got that ~I don't know, certifications out the word ~award, which is so cool. So that just goes to tell you how. Like we're talking top, tier here if you're coming in town, that's where you need to be.

~So yeah. I feel like most people listening, I feel should know who you are, but also I don't, I have no idea. ~So for people who may be like, Oh, who is Lindsey Hein and why is she coming to the mini and what's going on? Could you just give people a quick rundown of who you are?

Lindsey Hein: I'm coming to the mini because I love Indy and I'm from Bloomington, Indiana.

And then I went to IU and moved up to Indianapolis, like first job out of college. So I lived in Indy for a very long time, moved to Raleigh, North Carolina in 2021. So I still very much say I'm from Indianapolis. Am I from Indianapolis or Bloomington though? Cause you're, you grew up in Indy and you still live in Indy.

Ally Brettnacher: grew up in Westfield, I grew up in the suburbs of Indy and for anybody Yeah. I just say Indianapolis because nobody knows the difference. Almost same with Bloomington. Bloomington people will know because of Indiana university, IU.

riverside_lindsey_& ally _ mar 19, 2025 001_finish_lines & mile: Yeah. ~So~

Ally Brettnacher: I don't think it matters.

riverside_lindsey_& ally _ mar 19, 2025 001_finish_lines & mile: Indiana. Do people know, I wonder though, whenever I say that, I'm like, I always just say I'm from Indianapolis, but if I say I'm from Bloomington, Indiana, do people know what that is?

I usually say where IU is. But yeah, I am a runner, have been a runner since I was like 15 and I've run 17 marathons and I have four boys. I launched my running podcast. I'll have another with Lindsey Hein in. 2016 and have just been immersed in like the running industry and culture ever since.

And what

Ally Brettnacher: episode, what is it? You're almost, you're getting close to 600 episodes of All Have Another. Yeah.

Lindsey Hein: I don't know. I think it's 580 or 590. I'm not even sure actually, but yeah I put it, I've been putting an episode out. Every week since 2016, and then I've been doing like series as well.

597.

Ally Brettnacher: Whoa. I was 97. I just like,

Lindsey Hein: Oh, 597. Oh my gosh. You're really close.

Ally Brettnacher: You should. Wait, what am I? What are you going to do? Do something? You got to celebrate it. I ended up on your podcast at 500 by accident. Although now it's. Oh, you

Lindsey Hein: are my 500th episode. See?

Ally Brettnacher: I was like, Ooh, for the Indy 500 in Indianapolis, but yeah,

Lindsey Hein: I remember when I did, when I hit 25, 50 and a hundred, I made a big deal about it.

And then I just would never think about it in time. ~And and then I also. ~I've noticed the past few years, like never done anything for like my anniversary of starting the podcast. Which is coming up in three or four weeks. Okay. Yeah. Mine will be nine years.

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah. Mine is in April at some point.

~If we want to talk about the year versus the episode. I can't remember exactly when, but yeah.~

Lindsey Hein: I do remember. When I had my hundredth episode, so I had Meggie dials interview me and my husband did write me a card and the kids got me cupcakes that said like a hundred episodes . the internet says that only like less than 5 percent of podcasts make it to a hundred episodes. So I can only imagine how many make it to 600.

riverside_lindsey_& ally _ mar 19, 2025 001_finish_lines & mile: That's why I always like when people like, I want to start a podcast and we're like, talk about joining the network and stuff.

I'm like so many people start podcasts and quit. So yeah, it's cause you just it's a grind if you're not doing it for like your full time job or whatever.

Ally Brettnacher: And I think people myself included, like I get discouraged by numbers, right? And it just doesn't come totally like you can't just put your podcast out there and expect to have like thousands of people listen to it, which makes sense.

But I think people just assume it's not that hard. I just get a microphone and start interviewing people and ~it's ~it takes a lot more than that to get it going. ~Yeah.~

riverside_lindsey_& ally _ mar 19, 2025 001_finish_lines & mile: It's super hard to grow a podcast unless you're like already a famous or well known name. ~It's like crazy hard. ~So props to anybody who's out there

Ally Brettnacher: doing it in a way doing

riverside_lindsey_& ally _ mar 19, 2025 001_finish_lines & mile: it.

Props

Ally Brettnacher: to us doing it. Yep. We're doing it. And how old are your boys right now?

Lindsey Hein: , they're six, eight, 10 and 12. So they're in that ~like ~place where they're all. And nice. Yeah.

Ally Brettnacher: Wow.

Lindsey Hein: Yeah. Yeah. We're not always that. So we're kinder second, fourth and sixth grade. It's really good right now.

They fight a lot, but like in general, I'm like, this is good. Yeah. This is, they're all at school all day and yeah, it's a cool season.

Ally Brettnacher: I look forward to some of that when they're just a little bit more self sufficient, like we're getting close. ~We're getting so close. Yeah.~

riverside_lindsey_& ally _ mar 19, 2025 001_finish_lines & mile: And I am like super free rangey, so I feel like my kids became self sufficient maybe earlier than they needed to be.

Yeah. That's okay. It is. So yeah, like my, we live a half a mile from the school and like, my second grader just. He just leaves in the morning, he's bye, and just walks walks out the door doesn't walk with anybody, doesn't want me to walk with him, just wants to be alone and walk to school, and, yeah yeah, I've got some independent kids, and that's, maybe that's one parenting thing I'm very proud of.

You should be.

Ally Brettnacher: ~Yeah gosh. ~Sometimes the things my kids feel like they need me to help with. I'm like, where did I go wrong? Like, how can you not do this? Yeah.

Lindsey Hein: That too. I'm like, you do not need to ask me for water.

Ally Brettnacher: You can get your own water. Yeah, no, that's a good example. And you. You and Glenn have been married for how long?

riverside_lindsey_& ally _ mar 19, 2025 001_finish_lines & mile: 16

Ally Brettnacher: years.

riverside_lindsey_& ally _ mar 19, 2025 001_finish_lines & mile: Yeah, I know. Isn't that crazy? That is crazy. I feel like when you get to 20, you're like, wow. I'm like, there's no other way to say it, but I'm old.

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah. We're getting there, but I love the story. So I was just listening in preparation for this to an episode of Ali on the Run that you were on.

riverside_lindsey_& ally _ mar 19, 2025 001_finish_lines & mile: Dude, it was so long

Ally Brettnacher: ago and it was so fun to listen to, so I encourage anybody to go listen to it. It's so good. Episode 37. And now she's on like almost 800. So

riverside_lindsey_& ally _ mar 19, 2025 001_finish_lines & mile: ~I was going to say, cause ~I think I was on her show twice. It must've been the first. It was the first time. ~Cause~

Ally Brettnacher: I started listening to the most recent time you're on.

And then she was like she was on before. I'm like, I'm going to go listen to the really old one because that's going to be fun. ~Oh my gosh. But anyway.~

riverside_lindsey_& ally _ mar 19, 2025 001_finish_lines & mile: I actually remember recording that sitting on the floor in my bedroom in my house in Indianapolis. That's so funny.

Ally Brettnacher: Hiding from my

riverside_lindsey_& ally _ mar 19, 2025 001_finish_lines & mile: kids.

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah. And then hearing you talk about and we might have another kid. ~And ~because you only had three boys at the time. ~Oh my~

riverside_lindsey_& ally _ mar 19, 2025 001_finish_lines & mile: gosh, that's so funny. ~Oh, I should go listen to that. ~I actually just interviewed her for my podcast because I'm doing a series on running podcasters.

Okay. Yeah. It's, recorded, but it's not out yet.

Ally Brettnacher: Cool. We'll all be interested to hear that episode. ~Yeah. And ~it's so crazy talking about now that she's been through her cancer diagnosis, like all that stuff is really interesting to talk about, which you and I will talk about today at some point too, but.

Yeah. It's just wild to go back in time knowing what now I

riverside_lindsey_& ally _ mar 19, 2025 001_finish_lines & mile: remember in that conversation, cause she was asking me about the BRCA gene that I have. And she was like, yeah, I don't have any breast cancer in my family. And yeah, so this is wild.

Ally Brettnacher: So we'll talk about that. But I. All that's to say that I just love the story of how you and Glenn met, and so I just want people to hear that because it's, I think it's the best.

Oh, sure. Please share, and people who went to IU will love it even more.

riverside_lindsey_& ally _ mar 19, 2025 001_finish_lines & mile: I know, I'm like, how should I tell the story? We worked at the Village Deli in Bloomington, and I was a server, and he was a kitchen guy. ~And I, ~I remember the first time I knew who he was, his parents came and they were eating at the village deli.

~And ~I came back to the kitchen and I was like, who's Glenn? And my best friend, Emily, who I worked with was like, he's the guy on the toast. And I was like, Hey, Glenn, your parents are out here eating breakfast. And then I remember thinking like, Oh, he must be normal. His parents seem really normal.

Because like a lot of kitchen guys at the village deli, I feel like they were like a lot of stoners that townies like people who like, although I guess

Ally Brettnacher: you're a townie.

riverside_lindsey_& ally _ mar 19, 2025 001_finish_lines & mile: Yeah, I think I maybe questioned their ambition a little bit that was so judgy of me. From the girl whose dad helped her get the job at the village deli.

Like he knew someone who knew the owner and I just like really needed a job. So yeah. Maybe I should check my ambition there. But anyway, yeah. So he always tells me there was like a couple months later, there was like a party or something that someone at the, maybe we were having people over to our house.

I was like 20. And he said he was washing dishes and he didn't get invited and he was, like, offended by it. He was like, why didn't I get the invite? ~And I just probably thought anyway, yeah, so we worked together. ~And I tried to break up with him I don't know, a month into dating or hanging out or whatever, and he was like, No, he was like, why?

I was like, I don't know. I just thought this was going to be like a summer thing. I didn't think we were going to be serious here. And he basically was like, you don't have a good reason.

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah. Sorry. I veto your, breakup.

riverside_lindsey_& ally _ mar 19, 2025 001_finish_lines & mile: I, veto your breakup. I just brag on him a little bit here though, because I don't know if I told this story on, her show or where I've told this story, but he was just always so super like confident in, himself.

And I remember I had an ex boyfriend that was like wanting to get back together. ~Have you heard this story? Oh, okay. Okay. That's fun. ~And so I told him about it and I had been single for a year but this ex boyfriend had came back around and he was trying to get back together and I told Glenn about it and he, I said, he really wants to go to dinner and talk, about things.

And this was like, we had probably been dating for I don't know, five or six weeks or something. And he was like, you should go. It was like, you should go talk to him. And I was like, Oh, you won't be mad if I like go to dinner with my ex boyfriend. And he's no, I think you should go talk to him.

And so I did. And we had dinner and it was fine and he's a nice guy and he's married with a few kids now and that's all fine. But I think I, I came home from that oh my gosh, how nice is it to be dating someone who has no jealousy issues. ~Oh my~

Ally Brettnacher: gosh.

riverside_lindsey_& ally _ mar 19, 2025 001_finish_lines & mile: And is just like totally fine and like confident Hey, if it's meant to work out, it'll work out and you should go entertain that conversation.

And so I think that's what sold

Ally Brettnacher: me on him. ~Yeah. ~And being like, no, you're not breaking up with me. You're mine. Sorry. I think that's so great. You're going to

riverside_lindsey_& ally _ mar 19, 2025 001_finish_lines & mile: ~have to give me some better, ~he was like, I think ~like ~I need some better reasons.

Ally Brettnacher: That's really funny. And then you're like, huh I guess I don't have it.

You're right. I guess we're still together. Yeah. I think that's just so cute. And why did you end up going to college where you're from? Why'd you pick IU?

riverside_lindsey_& ally _ mar 19, 2025 001_finish_lines & mile: Oh I just didn't have good grades and I didn't have a lot of choices.

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah.

riverside_lindsey_& ally _ mar 19, 2025 001_finish_lines & mile: It was just like I think if I could have got in or when it went to a school, I'm sure I use like so much harder to get into now.

~But I think if I could have gone somewhere cool or done something I would have, ~I was just, I've never got good grades ever.

And I don't know that I would've done very well far away from home, honestly. ~Yeah. Like I feel like~

Ally Brettnacher: I was still needy with my parents. And you didn't run collegiately, did you? You run in high or did you run in high school?

Like, where did your running I ran for

riverside_lindsey_& ally _ mar 19, 2025 001_finish_lines & mile: Bloomington North. Okay. Yeah. My best friend Sarah invited me to join the cross country team my sophomore year of high school. I had, done track very casually my freshman year ~and then. And ~in middle school, I ~just ~did every sport. ~I did ~I did diving and gymnastics and track and cheerleading.

Like anything that was available. I was like, sign me

Ally Brettnacher: up.

riverside_lindsey_& ally _ mar 19, 2025 001_finish_lines & mile: yeah, my friend Sarah invited me to join the cross country team and I did, and I cried the night before. Our first meet, ~I was so scared. ~I was so scared. It was an intramural meet, too. It was just like our team, and I cried. Oh boy.

Yeah. Because I wanted to be on Varsity, but I didn't know if I had it in me. And I was just like not in a good headspace. But yeah, so I ran cross country and Then I didn't, I just ran in college to stay in shape and then Glenn and I ran our first marathon in 2008 two months before we got married.

And which, what year

Ally Brettnacher: IU? 2006. Okay. Sorry, I cut you off.

riverside_lindsey_& ally _ mar 19, 2025 001_finish_lines & mile: Fresh out two years. No. Two years out of college. ~Yeah. ~So that's where I guess it all began.

Ally Brettnacher: Before we go. Down that rabbit hole of your running journey to 17 marathons, which is nuts. Where do you fall within your sisters? Remind me. I'm in the middle.

~Okay. ~And Erica is the oldest.

riverside_lindsey_& ally _ mar 19, 2025 001_finish_lines & mile: Yeah. My older sister is two years older and ~then ~my younger sister is three years younger.

Ally Brettnacher: Okay. And what's your youngest sister's name? Shelby. Okay. I don't think I've ever met Shelby, but I've met Erica. She'll be Lynn. She'll be Lynn.

riverside_lindsey_& ally _ mar 19, 2025 001_finish_lines & mile: Yeah.

Ally Brettnacher: She'll be Lynn. She lives in Bloomington.

Okay. Okay. I feel like middle child that helps. No wonder you're not a rule follower. Second born. Oh my God. No, Yeah. No, no. rule following here. So first marathon in 2008 and it was San Diego rock and roll. How, the heck did you choose San Diego for your first marathon?

riverside_lindsey_& ally _ mar 19, 2025 001_finish_lines & mile: I think we were just like, Oh, if we're going to do one, let's go somewhere cool.

Yeah, that makes sense. ~And ~we ~like ~didn't have any money. We were ~like ~so young and my husband's parents came with us and we like shared a hotel room with them because they were paying for the hotel room. Oh man, I remember being like, I don't think we could have done this if you weren't. Didn't come and like his parents ~wore shirt, ~wore shirts that had the date of our wedding on it and

Ally Brettnacher: Shut up.

That's so adorable

riverside_lindsey_& ally _ mar 19, 2025 001_finish_lines & mile: See, yeah, I think his parents are a little more like your parents. Oh, yeah, that's really sweet. Wow. Yeah but yeah, so I think we were we'll just do this one and done. I wanted to have a big goal before our wedding and then I also was like, Oh, this will keep me in shape.

And then I can be the size I want to be. That's the, what my mindset was when at 25 dude

Ally Brettnacher: I,

PR'ed my marathon at the time. I ran a sub four for the very first time the year of our wedding. So if that tells you anything it's like women, I don't know why we feel like we have to do that to ourselves for our wedding, but it was like, no, I'm gonna be in the best shape possible.

It's so silly.

riverside_lindsey_& ally _ mar 19, 2025 001_finish_lines & mile: It's so funny because I look back and I'm like, oh my gosh, you were like, So young and pre kids. ~Yeah, you had no ~

Ally Brettnacher: ~idea. You didn't need to do anything, really. Yeah, totally. ~Okay, so San Diego and did you travel or not travel together? Did you train together for the marathon?

riverside_lindsey_& ally _ mar 19, 2025 001_finish_lines & mile: ~Yeah, we did.~

Yeah, we pretty much did all of our long runs together. This was ~like ~before ~GPS no ~GPS watches were a thing, but we didn't know. So we just had time exploration. We would just ~run by, ~run based on time usually. And then sometimes we would get home and map my run it and see how far we ran.

I remember we'd be like, okay, 20 miles, we'll ~go run, we'll just ~go run for three hours. And so that's what we would do. And looking back, I'm like, oh, we were probably running a lot more than we realized we were running. ~Yeah. ~On a Wednesday, I'd be like, okay, we're supposed to run 10 miles today.

~Let's. Let's. ~Let's just do, we'll run for an hour and 40 minutes in case we're running 10 minute miles. And I'm like, yeah, no way. We were running 10 minute miles and flat Indianapolis, we were running like eight minute miles so yeah, I think that in that sense we were probably like very prepared for our first marathon.

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah. I'm trying to remember which year Zach and I ran Chicago together, but we trained for Chicago together one summer. Okay. And it was while we were dating. It was before we got married. And I just remember that solidifying in my mind that he was the one for me because he had never run more than three miles and then agreed to train.

~Huh. ~And I think there's really. Yes. It's great. I miss it now because we don't run together at all. He doesn't really run.

riverside_lindsey_& ally _ mar 19, 2025 001_finish_lines & mile: Yeah.

Ally Brettnacher: But I loved that season where we like, we're doing all our long runs. ~It's a great way to see if you can survive.~

riverside_lindsey_& ally _ mar 19, 2025 001_finish_lines & mile: Yeah. No we've run so many miles together. We don't really run together much anymore, but.

And then when, once you had kids, it was like taking turns and, or we'd go on runs with a stroller together. But yeah lots of miles. If you can, and if you can survive like running a marathon with your

Ally Brettnacher: spouse, it's a great metaphor for marriage. It's hard.

riverside_lindsey_& ally _ mar 19, 2025 001_finish_lines & mile: Yeah.

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah. ~It's~

riverside_lindsey_& ally _ mar 19, 2025 001_finish_lines & mile: hard.

Ally Brettnacher: That's right. It's really hard.

Just when you think it might not get hard, then it gets hard. ~It's, or I don't know. All the, analogies. Yeah. Totally. For sure. ~So what do you remember about that first marathon besides what you've already shared?

riverside_lindsey_& ally _ mar 19, 2025 001_finish_lines & mile: It was hard. No I, so I think that we went into that marathon being like, let's try to break four hours.

I think that's doable and then I was like at the expo the night before and I was like nerding, being a total runner dork, talking to the pacing people and I was like, Oh, maybe I can qualify for Boston. So then I got one of those bands that ~gave you, ~gives you like, I've worn one of those or yeah.

And I was like, I'm going to try to do this. And that at that time it was three 40 so it was a lot slower than it is now. ~Like right now. , ~the Women's BQ for 18 to 35 is 3 25, I believe.

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah,

riverside_lindsey_& ally _ mar 19, 2025 001_finish_lines & mile: and I think it's 3 25. ~I could be wrong. I can't remember ~

Ally Brettnacher: ~if that's mine or not. , ~I feel like that's mine. It's so much older than that now.

No, I think it's. It's 325 for my group. I can't remember actually, because then I always take off time mentally for the buffer in my head. ~So~

riverside_lindsey_& ally _ mar 19, 2025 001_finish_lines & mile: right. How old are you?

Ally Brettnacher: I will ~going to ~be 39 this year.

riverside_lindsey_& ally _ mar 19, 2025 001_finish_lines & mile: So then you're probably 330.

Ally Brettnacher: Okay.

riverside_lindsey_& ally _ mar 19, 2025 001_finish_lines & mile: And I'm probably 335 or maybe I'm 340. I don't know. It's hard. It's really, it's hard.

So we got to like miles, we ran 17 miles together and he was like not doing well. And I was pretty fine and I was like I'm just going to go because I want to try to qualify for Boston. And so I left him and I was running with some other guy. Maybe this isn't a good analogy for

Ally Brettnacher: marriage.

I take it back.

riverside_lindsey_& ally _ mar 19, 2025 001_finish_lines & mile: Bye. Bye. When it gets hard, I'm going to leave. I left him. And I was running with some other guy, like some younger guy, but we were like pulling each other along. And so I left me and this other guy left. He knew though, that I was trying to qualify for Boston. So he was like. And he was like, really starting to like it's interesting if I would have stayed with him.

What would the trajectory of our marathoning have ended up being? Because the trajectory was I did qualify and then I ran Boston and I had a bad race there. And I was like, maybe I just won't do marathon anymore. But then he was like. If you're going to run a marathon, I'm going to run another marathon.

And so then he had another bad race and he realized he had really low iron. So that was the problem. It was like really a problem. It was very low. And so then we signed up for a couple more and he, once he got his iron back, he was like, Oh, now I can kick your ass. Yeah, pretty much. And I'm willing to work harder than you.

So yeah, I'm like, Oh, I guess if I would have stayed with him though, in that first marathon, if I would have been able to finish feeling like I had so much left in the tank, because I, he, Stayed back with him. I, probably would have been like, I want to try this again and try to

Ally Brettnacher: qualify. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah,

riverside_lindsey_& ally _ mar 19, 2025 001_finish_lines & mile: because I do remember crossing the finish line and crossing the finish line for your first marathon is like very, yeah It's so emotional. Cuz I remember in that race. I was like there were like fighter jets overhead and I was like Drop a bomb on me. My body is shutting down. Like I, I really felt like that.

I was like, I just don't care if it's all over at this point. I just feel so bad. And I really was like, are my kidneys shutting down? Can I, felt so awful. But I remember standing there forever being like, where is he? Is he okay? And then he came I don't know, 10 or 15 minutes later and he was fine, but he was.

Not feeling good. Did you have a plan of

Ally Brettnacher: where to meet after? Because I feel like back then would you have been, you'd have a cell phone maybe, but I don't know if you'd run with it because they were not as small.

riverside_lindsey_& ally _ mar 19, 2025 001_finish_lines & mile: No, I did not have a smartphone. We were, I had a razor. Okay. Yeah. I can

Ally Brettnacher: picture that.

Yeah.

riverside_lindsey_& ally _ mar 19, 2025 001_finish_lines & mile: I know we didn't run with our phones. No. And yeah, and we didn't run with music or anything like that. Just so basic. So free. ~Yeah. I think I just lingered around.~

Ally Brettnacher: That's crazy to think about that now.

riverside_lindsey_& ally _ mar 19, 2025 001_finish_lines & mile: Maybe it wasn't as I went and found his parents.

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah,

riverside_lindsey_& ally _ mar 19, 2025 001_finish_lines & mile: it was San Diego. It wasn't like running New York or Boston or anything like that.

~But~

Ally Brettnacher: yeah that's where it all started. And does rock and roll San Diego marathon, does that still exist today? I don't know. Yeah, I think so. I just can't keep up with all the rock and roll series that there are. ~I don't know. I don't. I don't know. I~

riverside_lindsey_& ally _ mar 19, 2025 001_finish_lines & mile: think that's the only rock and roll I did

Ally Brettnacher: ~have done.~

Okay. ~Yeah. ~Yeah. So San Diego, 2008. Yeah. That's wild.

riverside_lindsey_& ally _ mar 19, 2025 001_finish_lines & mile: and then I ran Boston in the next year. Okay. And you said you

Ally Brettnacher: had a rough race. I guess talk about like how you even thought about training at the time because obviously later you're, now a coach.

But like, how did you train for your first marathons?

riverside_lindsey_& ally _ mar 19, 2025 001_finish_lines & mile: The first marathon, I think I don't, I use like a runner's world plan or something runner's world. I don't know if they still have it, but they would have, you would be able to just plug in your goal time and they would spit out plans for you.

Ally Brettnacher: That's cool.

riverside_lindsey_& ally _ mar 19, 2025 001_finish_lines & mile: And we were running like, I think for like our first marathon, like we ran pretty decent high mileage for that. Not super high, but we, like we were doing 10 mile runs midweek, and we probably did at least ~three. We probably did ~three 20 milers. Oh wow. And then, yeah, I was like super burnout though, even though I signed up for Boston.

And so I did the run less run faster plan for Boston, which was only running three days a week. But I very much did not do the cross training.

Ally Brettnacher: So

riverside_lindsey_& ally _ mar 19, 2025 001_finish_lines & mile: if you do run less, run faster, you do need to get your butt on a bike or an elliptical or get in the pool. So I just think I wasn't in great shape for it.

And then the Hills just totally destroyed me. Like my, I remember my quads hurt so bad at the end of Boston I was like, and it was very strange experience because this was like before social media times, right? Like I didn't get Instagram till 2012. ~Like I, ~I didn't know anybody there. I didn't, know the scene.

It was more like old school runners at that point, boston was like you could sign up like you qualify and then when it opens you just sign up like it wasn't like I gotta wait and see if I get in kind of thing. ~Yeah, there wasn't a buffer. Like ~I ran 339 52. And I actually think back then you could have run 340 59 like you even had that extra 59 seconds after the cutoff.

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah.

riverside_lindsey_& ally _ mar 19, 2025 001_finish_lines & mile: Yeah, it just, it was a very strange experience. I felt like a very, I felt like out of place. Like, all these people are super experienced runners, and I don't know what I'm doing here. But my parents actually came and Okay, I was gonna ask if

Ally Brettnacher: Glenn, did Glenn come too?

riverside_lindsey_& ally _ mar 19, 2025 001_finish_lines & mile: yeah.

Glenn came, and my parents came and my friend Brooke came, and yeah, so it was not a good experience. And so then I thought I would be done. And then we just kept I think after that, what we did was we did

Ally Brettnacher: what

riverside_lindsey_& ally _ mar 19, 2025 001_finish_lines & mile: we then ran monumental that fall.

Ally Brettnacher: ~Oh, ~okay.

riverside_lindsey_& ally _ mar 19, 2025 001_finish_lines & mile: And we were going to do the half and the night, like at the expo, ~I was, ~we were like signing up that.

day, because that's how I operate.

Ally Brettnacher: And I was like, let's just do the full. Get out of town. Let's just do

riverside_lindsey_& ally _ mar 19, 2025 001_finish_lines & mile: the full. So we did the full, but we weren't like, we didn't train for it. We were just like, yeah, let's just do it. It'll be fun. My

Ally Brettnacher: God.

riverside_lindsey_& ally _ mar 19, 2025 001_finish_lines & mile: So we ran the full together.

Ally Brettnacher: Wow.

riverside_lindsey_& ally _ mar 19, 2025 001_finish_lines & mile: I forgot about that.

Ally Brettnacher: ~Yeah. Okay. So that would have been, yeah, I was like, what?~

That

riverside_lindsey_& ally _ mar 19, 2025 001_finish_lines & mile: must have been.

Ally Brettnacher: Oh, nine, nine. Yeah. After. Yeah. Yeah. Wow.

riverside_lindsey_& ally _ mar 19, 2025 001_finish_lines & mile: Yeah. It must've been that. ~Yeah. ~I think it was probably that same year. ~That's wild. We just did it. ~You're just like,

Ally Brettnacher: okay.

riverside_lindsey_& ally _ mar 19, 2025 001_finish_lines & mile: I think we ran like three, three 58 or something. We were just, we just squeaked out. Yeah. That's amazing. Amazing.

Ally Brettnacher: Can you imagine trying to do that now without training?

Cause I cannot.

riverside_lindsey_& ally _ mar 19, 2025 001_finish_lines & mile: I. I think I've run and just run for long enough that like I, I could, it would just not be fun.

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah. ~I just would not want to,~

riverside_lindsey_& ally _ mar 19, 2025 001_finish_lines & mile: it would be like really miserable. ~Yeah.~

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah. That's where my husband, Zach is getting with the Indy mini is every year he does it, but I feel like he's training less and less just thinking, Oh, I've done it so many times.

And then last year. He had a horrible race. And at the end he was just like, yeah, I don't think I'm ever going to do this again. I was like, you're going to do it again. You just need to train like a normal person,

riverside_lindsey_& ally _ mar 19, 2025 001_finish_lines & mile: get like a couple of eight, just anything, like

Ally Brettnacher: anything besides just like running six miles.

One time would be great.

riverside_lindsey_& ally _ mar 19, 2025 001_finish_lines & mile: Yeah.

Ally Brettnacher: ~Yeah. ~So yeah, I feel like as we get older, it's harder.

riverside_lindsey_& ally _ mar 19, 2025 001_finish_lines & mile: The first year I ran the mini, ~I, that's what I did. ~I ran six miles was my longest long run before the, my first mini and that was in 2005, I think.

Ally Brettnacher: Okay.

riverside_lindsey_& ally _ mar 19, 2025 001_finish_lines & mile: ~I was in college. ~I was in college. Okay.

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah. My first mini, my first half was the Indy mini and it was in 2007 and I was in college.

Okay. So I don't know how I, my memory is really horrible. I don't remember why I chose that to be my first year because my parents did it for quite a while. And my dad was trying to get me to do it and I kept being like, no, I'm good. And then finally, I guess I was like, okay. And then I did.

riverside_lindsey_& ally _ mar 19, 2025 001_finish_lines & mile: Yeah.

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah. And I've pretty much done it like every year except for one for who knows why.

Yeah. Maybe baby. No, because I did it pregnant. With my first. Yeah.

riverside_lindsey_& ally _ mar 19, 2025 001_finish_lines & mile: Oh, ~I ~my whole family has done that.

Ally Brettnacher: Your whole family.

riverside_lindsey_& ally _ mar 19, 2025 001_finish_lines & mile: ~Yeah. ~My mom, my dad and my sisters, we've all done it at least once.

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah. It is one of those things though. If you're in this area, even in the state, I feel like it's just something you gotta do.

You gotta do it. And so then when did you start having babies?

riverside_lindsey_& ally _ mar 19, 2025 001_finish_lines & mile: 2012.

Ally Brettnacher: Okay. ~And it was not. Super easy for you at the beginning. ~And then now you have four boys, which is crazy to think about. Can you talk a little bit about your journey to becoming a mom?

riverside_lindsey_& ally _ mar 19, 2025 001_finish_lines & mile: Yeah. So ~I I, yeah, ~I just thought it would be a little bit easier than it was at the beginning.

And I did get pregnant and then had two miscarriages early on. And then I think. It's so weird. When I got off birth control, I ~like ~wasn't getting my period and the doctor I went to was like, oh, yeah, you have PCOS. You have polycystic ovarian syndrome, and I was like, I do? And she was like, yep, ~so ~She diagnosed me with that based on blood work.

No ultrasound. No nothing. She prescribed me two medications ~oh my gosh. Yeah ~With no further investigation, I'm 26 years old I have no of the outward symptoms of PCOS which is like weight gain and hair growth on your face and ~like ~just different things like that were not adding up.

Like I had no of these other symptoms and she didn't even order a freaking ultrasound to see if I had cysts on my ovaries. She solely diagnosed me with it based on blood work. And as a 20 something, you're just like

Ally Brettnacher: fully trusting of a medical professional.

riverside_lindsey_& ally _ mar 19, 2025 001_finish_lines & mile: 26 years old. Yeah. And I was in tears.

I was so upset. And then I was like if that's the worst thing, like it's not a life threatening disease, ~like blah, blah, blah. ~But my mom's a nurse and she was like, No, she was like, I would not take that medicine. First of all, the medicine is like heart medicine and like diabetes medicine.

So I went and got a second opinion with my mom and like with her OBGYN. And they did do the ultrasound and they were like, yeah, you do have a lot of cysts on your ovaries. But it's probably just your body, like getting back into figuring itself out from being on birth control for, I was only on birth control for one year.

Ally Brettnacher: Interesting. And

riverside_lindsey_& ally _ mar 19, 2025 001_finish_lines & mile: so he, yeah, so he gave me a medicine that ~like ~induced a period. And then my body just figured it out and I started getting my period regularly and I never had to take that medicine.

Ally Brettnacher: That's wild.

riverside_lindsey_& ally _ mar 19, 2025 001_finish_lines & mile: ~It's, to me, it's like, ~it's wild that what if I ~didn't, ~hadn't ~have ~had my mom?

consult with because ~who, ~then who would I have talked to and asked about? ~And then ~then would I have just continued taking that medicine for years and walked around Accepting that I had this PCOS ~that ~I, guess in the moment I did have polycystic ovaries but it was more like a short term thing.

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah, so wild.

riverside_lindsey_& ally _ mar 19, 2025 001_finish_lines & mile: So anyway, I won't be referring anybody And So then ~I yeah, I mean ~I did end up getting pregnant ~Like ~a couple years later and had my first miscarriage and I remember I didn't have a real OBGYN at that point because I had not really transitioned from that one lady that prescribed the medicine and so I was like I got to get into someone and This ended up being my OBGYN that I saw for the next decade.

She just happened to be the doctor that had an opening that day like because ~like ~sometimes it's hard to get into people and she probably had a cancellation and I just remember like She squatted down next to me and looked me in the eye and was like just handled my like Sorrow really well, and I was like, That's it.

That's my doctor.

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah.

riverside_lindsey_& ally _ mar 19, 2025 001_finish_lines & mile: And so we walked through it again a second time and she had prescribed me, I think, progesterone to help protect the lining of my uterus. And the next time I got pregnant I took that immediately. And It stayed. The baby stayed around. So that was my first Marshall in 2012.

And then every two years I kept on going. ~Yeah. ~So the first two are two and a half years apart. And it took a ~little bit, ~little longer than I thought it would to get pregnant with my second. And then the other two were not even planned. We wanted to have more kids, but it was like, yeah.

It was an easy easier to get pregnant

Ally Brettnacher: for boys. My Lord. Yeah.

riverside_lindsey_& ally _ mar 19, 2025 001_finish_lines & mile: I know. I always feel like I think the fertility discussion is tough and especially with someone with an obnoxious amount of kids but I will say like it's not that I'm grateful that I had miscarriages But I'm like grateful that I had a little bit of hardship I can't understand someone's life.

Who's like truly going through fertility stuff. I can't understand that, but I got a little bit of a glimpse of what if I can't make, what if this can't happen for me? And just like the gratefulness of what it means to actually be pregnant and carry a pregnancy. ~Yeah. Yeah.~

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah, I'm in the same boat.

I had, I have not had a miscarriage, but I had bleeding with both of my pregnancies, which I only thought could happen if you had a miscarriage. So even after the first time I had problems and then it was fine, when it happened my second pregnancy, I still thought that it was because they're like the minute that you call it's like you're, that's not normal.

So I've had the tiniest, it's terrifying, but yeah, the tiniest taste of that, but could you tell people about how you approached being fit after, during what that looked like across I know that you were literally pregnant for so many times and so long.

I feel like, how did each one, because I feel like there's so many years of you like either being like pregnant or postpartum. so how did you approach that?

riverside_lindsey_& ally _ mar 19, 2025 001_finish_lines & mile: Yeah I think for my first one, I was so young. I was 28. I was still 28 when I had my first baby. I was almost 29. Yeah, so I feel like it was honestly I don't know.

People can say age is just a number, but honestly, F that. It's not. ~I'm, ~it's not that you can't do incredible things as you age. And I still think at , 41, if I really wanted to, I could run a marathon PR. It's just that your body does change and it's just, it just changes. It doesn't mean you can't still do hard things.

But yeah, I think that it was just like. A little bit easier at 28 than 35 and I just was dead set on running all the way through. And so I, ran up until the day before I had Marshall, I had a scheduled C section cause he was breach. And so I ran the day before I ran three miles. Wow. I really wanted to run the day of, but I would like, you can't drink or anything.

You can't eat because you're

Ally Brettnacher: having surgery. So you're, yeah. Yeah.

riverside_lindsey_& ally _ mar 19, 2025 001_finish_lines & mile: But honestly, like I could have now that I think about it because I'm like, they gave you an IV the second you get in there, like you're getting fluid. I just wanted to

Ally Brettnacher: do it to say I did it though. The day before is pretty fricking amazing.

Yeah.

riverside_lindsey_& ally _ mar 19, 2025 001_finish_lines & mile: Yeah. Really. And yeah and then just every, baby. I think I probably moved a little bit less as far as running and real exercise, but I always stayed super active throughout and took my time coming back, especially ~a, ~after my last three, my first one, I was like, wait a minute.

After your first one, I feel like

Ally Brettnacher: you got back after it. ~No,~

riverside_lindsey_& ally _ mar 19, 2025 001_finish_lines & mile: my first one, ~I, at that phase though I was like, doctors tell you six weeks, ~I waited my six weeks and I had friends that were like running after two or three weeks. And for me, I was thinking, Oh, this is good. I'm waiting my full six weeks.

But once my six weeks was up, I was an unleashed feral animal. Let me run again.

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah.

riverside_lindsey_& ally _ mar 19, 2025 001_finish_lines & mile: I ran a marathon four months postpartum and another one, five months postpartum and then another one, nine months postpartum. I ran three marathons within a year.

No, you did not. My first baby being born. Lindsey. Yes.

Ally Brettnacher: Three? Like I knew, I just remember hearing you talk about at some point that I knew you did it pretty soon after, but I didn't realize you did three within a year. Wow, that's a lot. ~Yeah, ~

riverside_lindsey_& ally _ mar 19, 2025 001_finish_lines & mile: ~I ~I had him June, 26th, and then I ran Monumental November, early November, and then I ran Rehoboth Beach Marathon, like mid December.

Where's that? And then it's in Delaware. Interesting. I think it's in Delaware. It's in one of those. Okay. Sounds good to me. Ally Brettnacher: They're all

riverside_lindsey_& ally _ mar 19, 2025 001_finish_lines & mile: the same to me. All those states.

Ally Brettnacher: Somewhere over there.

riverside_lindsey_& ally _ mar 19, 2025 001_finish_lines & mile: No offense. Yeah. Yeah, somewhere over there. One of those little ones.

And then I ran the Shamrock Marathon in March and I ran a PR that. Wow. And that's when I realized, I think that's when I realized how fast I could run. Like I oh, I have a lot more in me. And I never got much faster than that because I kept having babies, but yeah, I ran 313. That was like nine months postpartum.

I ran 313 and I was like, okay, that's pretty fast.

Ally Brettnacher: And then you in 20, 2017 is your fastest marathon overall, correct? Yeah. And that was one year after having Russell, who's your third. Yeah. 311 52. That's crazy. Yes. So that's super speedy. Did you work with a coach during any of these?

riverside_lindsey_& ally _ mar 19, 2025 001_finish_lines & mile: No, I've never worked with a coach.

~I, but ~Glenn served as that, like my husband, ~he, ~cause ~he is ~he is not like a naturally fast runner, but he is. Willing to put himself through some pain and once he figured out how to train He trained hard like he was running ~like ~90 miles a week. He got up to a hundred at some point yeah, ~and so ~at that point when I had run when I ran my 311 and 2017, he had run 249 in 2015, I think 2016, maybe.

And so like he had really taught himself how, like he had figured out the recipe to get faster. And so I, relied on him a lot. I, that training cycle though I just wrote. My schedule week to week. I was like, okay, so I probably need to do like this. I probably need to do a long run here.

I probably need to do that. I think I only did one 20

Ally Brettnacher: miler.

riverside_lindsey_& ally _ mar 19, 2025 001_finish_lines & mile: And my mother in law had just passed away three months before. So like life was chaotic. We had three little kids baby, two and a half, four, and yeah, so it's looking back, you're like, gosh, I probably had a lot more in me, but there was just a lot going on.

~And I think I'm just like, gosh,~

Ally Brettnacher: you did that in the midst of all the things, which is just. ~Yeah. ~Insane.

riverside_lindsey_& ally _ mar 19, 2025 001_finish_lines & mile: I think part of the reason I was able to run it that fast. I think that my ability was actually like much faster than that. But also I was just like, just tried to let all the pressure go.

Like it's, it doesn't matter how fast I run like you always say, like nobody cares. I knew I had a PR in me though. So I would have been pissed if I didn't squeak a little something out of it, but. Yeah, it was a crazy time of life. It's one of those things where like when things are hard if you have something else to focus on, it like masks that a little bit.

The distraction is good. Maybe it was numbing you out a little bit. And which

Ally Brettnacher: marathon was that?

riverside_lindsey_& ally _ mar 19, 2025 001_finish_lines & mile: That was okay. ~It was~

Ally Brettnacher: monumental. I can't remember if you said or not. They're all blurring together, which was fun

riverside_lindsey_& ally _ mar 19, 2025 001_finish_lines & mile: because that's our, those are our streets. Like we knew those are our streets. We know exactly what's going on.

People on the course, I do remember though, this is so funny because I just saw him the other day in Raleigh that my friend Scott Breeden was pacing the 310 pace group and it's so random because he is my friend. Our friend from running from years ago. I saw him in Raleigh.

I saw that

Ally Brettnacher: actually, and I thought that was mind blowing. Like, how does that happen? And how did you even associate you? Like, how are you here? Like out of context when you see people, you're like, where am I?

riverside_lindsey_& ally _ mar 19, 2025 001_finish_lines & mile: I didn't. I was like picking up one of my son's soccer buddies cause I was the carpool mom that day.

And I was like, why is that dad running like in the middle of the road? Cause he was like in the middle of the road. And I was like, I can't pull out until he passes. ~And I was like, ~And then I looked again. I was like, that dad looks really fit. Like he looks like he can run. And then he got closer. And I was like, that looks like Scott Breeden.

And then I like turned my head and as he passed my window, cause he was very close to the car at that point. And he turned his head. And I just still didn't know if it was him. And I go, Scott Breda. I just said it quietly. That's the fast guy. And then he was like, Lindsey. And so it wasn't, but yeah, it was like super random.

He's only here for a week doing some like board exam. ~Okay. And ~of all places to be like you're in the neighborhood I live in running down the street, like it was so random. But anyway, back to the story, he was pacing the three 10 pace group. And I think we had two or three miles to go and they come trotting past us.

And I was like, no, my hopes and dreams of breaking 310 are going out the window. And I just, I could not will myself to stay with him, but I was, it was probably ~like ~a mile and a half to go really. And I was like, you know what though? If I just ~like. ~Keep moving forward one foot in front of the other and going as hard as I can at this point.

I should still be well under 313, which was

Ally Brettnacher: my PR

riverside_lindsey_& ally _ mar 19, 2025 001_finish_lines & mile: at the

Ally Brettnacher: time. Wow. Can't be mad. No, but still it's always hard when you look back and you're like, but could I have just squeezed out a tiny more? And you're like, no, I've

riverside_lindsey_& ally _ mar 19, 2025 001_finish_lines & mile: stayed with them.

Ally Brettnacher: Probably not. ~Like it's really freaking hard.~

riverside_lindsey_& ally _ mar 19, 2025 001_finish_lines & mile: But I

Ally Brettnacher: think.

riverside_lindsey_& ally _ mar 19, 2025 001_finish_lines & mile: Everybody listening is probably experienced when that pace group ~like ~trots on by.

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah. And you're like, dang, although it can be confusing sometimes when you start in different spots, like then the pace group. ~So then you're am I don't know. Yeah.~

riverside_lindsey_& ally _ mar 19, 2025 001_finish_lines & mile: Yeah. Did I, was I ahead of you?

Did I cross the start line? ~Yeah. I don't remember. Yeah.~

Ally Brettnacher: Which is why it's important to line up in the right spot, frankly. ~Yeah. Yeah. ~

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And so before that 2017 PR. You started your podcast when? 2016? Yeah.

riverside_lindsey_& ally _ mar 19, 2025 001_finish_lines & mile: So that was also going on. Yeah. Like it was also like a new thing going on. Yeah. So what

Ally Brettnacher: made you be like I want to start a podcast.

riverside_lindsey_& ally _ mar 19, 2025 001_finish_lines & mile: I was listening to podcasts. ~Like I, ~I listened to Serial and I love that. AdNod. That was my first one. Yeah, he's free now. Same.

Ally Brettnacher: ~Anyway, ~I saw it the other day. I was like, Oh my God. ~Anyway,~

riverside_lindsey_& ally _ mar 19, 2025 001_finish_lines & mile: wait, so do you think he's, I don't know. ~Now~

Ally Brettnacher: I, was like thinking about it. I'm like, maybe I want to go back and listen again.

Cause I don't know. I feel like it was just ~such a, it was ~such a good first podcast for everybody to listen to. Cause you just couldn't get enough of it. It was so wild. So I don't know.

riverside_lindsey_& ally _ mar 19, 2025 001_finish_lines & mile: Yeah. So I listened to that and then I was like, I wonder like what other podcasts are out here. So then I started listening to happy hour with Jamie Ivey and that was like a Christian based show, but I was like, she's just talking to friends and I enjoy listening to it.

And I was like I could do that. I could talk to friends and record it. And so I was like, I'll talk to friends about running and motherhood and just like life, pop culture stuff, whatever. And, but I was like, I'll make it a kind of a running focus. And that's what I did. And my first episode with, was with Laura Anderson.

I made it way more stressful than it needed to be because I do not know anything about audio stuff. And just like the thought of like, how do I get a microphone, like everything stressed me out. ~And I spent way too much time and not doing it well. Like ~I think my first. 50 or 60 episodes. ~Like ~my microphone wasn't even plugged in.

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah.

riverside_lindsey_& ally _ mar 19, 2025 001_finish_lines & mile: And I thought it was But I started pitching pros and they started saying yes And then you know and I wanted it to be a job like I really did Because I was this like stay at home mom, but I wanted to have a job but I also knew I wanted to be with my kids a lot and so I always tell people don't start a podcast for the money, but I also was like, but I want to make money.

Cause I saw that like Jamie Ivey and all those people were like selling ads for their podcasts. And I was like, if I could just grow this a little bit, I could start selling ads because you're in this phase where you're like I can't pay for babysitters. If I'm like not making any money, I can't justify that.

You feel so torn. And so a lot of times I would record like in my closet while my kids were napping, ~I would use ~I would go to the Y and I would work out and then ~I was like in with the Y, like I would, because I was there all the time and the By the vice president, like ~the people that ran the place, they were like, they knew me really well.

And I was like, Hey, can I sneak into the chapel and record a podcast? So I would ~like ~record podcasts in the chapel at the YMCA while my kids were in the child care. That's amazing.

Ally Brettnacher: Hustle.

riverside_lindsey_& ally _ mar 19, 2025 001_finish_lines & mile: Yeah. I'm just like, I was freaking hustling so hard. I could never hustle like that.

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah.

riverside_lindsey_& ally _ mar 19, 2025 001_finish_lines & mile: I would never be willing to say you could, you just didn't want to.

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah.

riverside_lindsey_& ally _ mar 19, 2025 001_finish_lines & mile: More work life balance, but yeah it worked out and it wasn't like, it didn't, I have a really hard time when people who are successful say things like, Oh yeah. And this just fell into my lap. And I just I'm like. Yeah. Stop. So yeah, I worked really hard to, get it ~to where, ~to what it became.

And now it's been just like steady for a really long time.

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah. ~And it's, yeah, like we talked about at the beginning, it's like almost 600 episodes. ~One of my questions for you, is who have you been like nervous to interview anybody like you've interviewed that you said you started asking pros to say yes.

Who remind me who the first pro to say yes was

riverside_lindsey_& ally _ mar 19, 2025 001_finish_lines & mile: Sarah

Ally Brettnacher: Hall. Sarah.

riverside_lindsey_& ally _ mar 19, 2025 001_finish_lines & mile: That blows my

Ally Brettnacher: mind. Like you're like, holy shit. Sarah Hall. Who I interviewed last year and almost had a heart attack.

riverside_lindsey_& ally _ mar 19, 2025 001_finish_lines & mile: Oh, yeah. You got to interview her. Monumental. I blacked out.

Ally Brettnacher: ~I haven't watched it yet either because I was like, I don't want to watch it.~

~I don't know what I said, but anyway, so yeah, so she says yes. ~Were you nervous to interview her?

riverside_lindsey_& ally _ mar 19, 2025 001_finish_lines & mile: Yeah.

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah.

riverside_lindsey_& ally _ mar 19, 2025 001_finish_lines & mile: I was really nervous because I didn't really know what I was doing yet and, her internet wasn't working. And oh no. We had to reschedule. Oh, yeah. So she got on and I was like, this isn't going to work.

Like we're not getting any of this video. And this was before the days of Riverside. So cause on Riverside where you record and I record is really cool because if someone's internet is out, it records locally. So even if you couldn't hear me and I was cutting out to you, Riverside would still be capturing and recording, which is really cool.

So I remember being like super nervous because I was like, what if she can't, what if she ends up not being able to do it? So yeah, she was one of my first big yeses. And then I was like dabbling in non runners too at that point. Like I remember I had Jamie Ivey said, yes, I feel like I remember listening to that because I know that name from you

Ally Brettnacher: for sure.

~Yeah.~

riverside_lindsey_& ally _ mar 19, 2025 001_finish_lines & mile: She was just like one of my favorite podcasters. I'm going to ask my favorite podcasters to come on. I say Sarah Hall was the first pro that I didn't. No, but Molly Ledlow came on. She was truly the first pro and she doesn't run pro anymore, but she's a nurse now But she ran for Saucony and she was an 800 meter runner.

She placed fourth at the Olympic Trials twice

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah

riverside_lindsey_& ally _ mar 19, 2025 001_finish_lines & mile: in 2012 and 2016. So Yeah and I had interviewed her right before the 2016 Olympic Trials She married someone I went to high school with which is super random So I knew her. She like came over to my house and we recorded in person.

Ally Brettnacher: That's cool.

riverside_lindsey_& ally _ mar 19, 2025 001_finish_lines & mile: Yeah. But then ~yeah, ~Molly Sarah Hall, Emily infield. And then once, ~those ~Sarah and Emily came on, it started trickling, like Alicia Montano came on Brenda Martinez and that was a favor of Molly because Molly knew her from running. And I think once you start getting bigger names on, it's easier to get more big names because you can always name drop, be like,

Ally Brettnacher: Hey, I've already had

riverside_lindsey_& ally _ mar 19, 2025 001_finish_lines & mile: the first time I interviewed Michael Johnson.

You better believe I'm name dropping that every track person I have on my show. Like not in the conversation, but to pitch them.

Ally Brettnacher: Absolutely. ~Although you did, ~you totally dropped that in the conversation with Kenny that I just listened to.

riverside_lindsey_& ally _ mar 19, 2025 001_finish_lines & mile: For sure. Because he's like the fastest human being

Ally Brettnacher: on the planet.

~One of you're like, holy shit. ~

riverside_lindsey_& ally _ mar 19, 2025 001_finish_lines & mile: So I work with a PR person to, to book Kenny. And so she might've said, Hey, this woman has interviewed Michael Johnson, Sonya Richard Ross, and named some like track legends. And he might've been like, okay. So yeah. Yeah. For anybody who doesn't

Ally Brettnacher: know that name, go watch sprints on Netflix season two in particular for him.

Yeah. Yeah. I feel like some,

riverside_lindsey_& ally _ mar 19, 2025 001_finish_lines & mile: yeah, he placed second in the 200 in the Olympics.

Ally Brettnacher: A beast. I really enjoyed that. But yeah I, ~just ~feel like over the course of time over these nine years , you've interviewed like everybody there is almost to interview. Who are some of the people that you have not interviewed that you're like dying still to interview that just for some reason you haven't

riverside_lindsey_& ally _ mar 19, 2025 001_finish_lines & mile: I've been pitching Alison Felix since the day I launched my show nine years ago.

Come on, Alison. I've emailed. As recently as three weeks ago and they were like, no, basically they were like, she doesn't have time. Yeah. You're like, okay how about now? But I'm just kidding. ~Yeah, ~I think multiple times a year for nine years. I have tried to get her on the show and I thought I might be able to get her on because I'm connected with every mother counts and she does a lot of work with like maternal health care and like athletes and motherhood.

~And ~and I've had Christy Turlington Burns on my show, who's the founder of Every Mother Counts and Alicia Montano, who's an advocate for mothers and mother runners. But yeah, it's just her. I'd love to have Gabby Thomas on. Oh yeah.

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah, that's another one.

riverside_lindsey_& ally _ mar 19, 2025 001_finish_lines & mile: L. E. St.

Pierre. I've never had. Been able to get her on. There's a few people that I don't know why I've just not been able to book them, but I've tried Corey McGee. I've tried a lot. And Cole. What about Cole? Have you gotten

Ally Brettnacher: Cole yet? Cole Hocker?

riverside_lindsey_& ally _ mar 19, 2025 001_finish_lines & mile: No, I haven't gotten Cole Hocker. the PR person I'm working with who helped me book Kenny Bednarik and also has me interviewing Grant Fisher.

Oh, cool. Yeah she works with Cole and Gabby Thomas. ~I, the way I got connected with her is ~I reached out to interview Gabby and I basically got she's booked out six months, but I have these people and I was like, cool. Sign me up for that.

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah. ~Awesome.~

riverside_lindsey_& ally _ mar 19, 2025 001_finish_lines & mile: Yeah. So, that's how I got Kenny and Grant, but I, have not heard back about Cole just yet.

I'm sure it'll happen eventually just because of the Indy connection, but yeah.

Ally Brettnacher: And what about like crazy stories of I know there's been at least one time I think with Dez Linden that you recorded an interview and like for some reason the technology didn't work. Like those are my worst nightmares. And so like how many times has that happened to you over the course of nine years?

riverside_lindsey_& ally _ mar 19, 2025 001_finish_lines & mile: Not very many, probably like four that happened to Dez and Emily and Feld and Emily was like, yeah, I'll do it. Dez was tough because that was after her Boston win. I had her agent, Josh Cox. I love you, Josh Cox, because you have helped me get so many interviews over the years. But I basically was like please.

I'm so embarrassed. And he, always puts the ask to the athletes and. Is such a good advocate and helps with the media and everything. He's a really great to work with. But she said yes. So she reported with me, but it was just, it was an unfortunate time because it was like, right when every, he was on the show, she met Taylor Swift and I had interviewed her before, but I was like, I got to get this post Boston interview.

So that was like, yeah, after she won. ~So yeah ~I get nervous for that to happen when I'm interviewing a big name that was really hard to book. I remember Sonia Richards Ross, like something was messed up with her internet or something. And I was like shoot. Cause I like, when am I going to get the opportunity to like rerecord this?

Yeah, those kinds of things for sure.

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah so I loved how recently you shared like random fun facts really from your whole running journey because there is so much There you've been doing it for a long time.

I remember seeing you in New York in 2019 and That was incredible. But then I saw that you've done New York twice. So which years have you done the New York City Marathon?

riverside_lindsey_& ally _ mar 19, 2025 001_finish_lines & mile: I did it in 2019 and 2022. Okay, that was the last marathon. Okay was in

Ally Brettnacher: 22 Okay.

riverside_lindsey_& ally _ mar 19, 2025 001_finish_lines & mile: Yeah. ~It was pretty, ~it was, I guess it was two and a half years ago. That's my last one. Oh my gosh, Lindsey. Gotta get, one in.

Ally Brettnacher: Come to Marine Corps this year. That's what I'm trying to do. I could. Yeah. It's the 50th anniversary. So I'm. Oh.

riverside_lindsey_& ally _ mar 19, 2025 001_finish_lines & mile: I have always wanted to run that marathon.

Yeah. It's, I've

Ally Brettnacher: done it once. A while ago. I don't,

riverside_lindsey_& ally _ mar 19, 2025 001_finish_lines & mile: what do you have to, is there a lottery or do you have how does

Ally Brettnacher: that work? It goes live. Registration goes live at I think 10 a. m. Eastern on April 7th. And I think that they will probably immediately sell out if I had to guess because of just all the buzz around marathoning that there is right now and how it's one of the largest ones that doesn't have a lottery.

riverside_lindsey_& ally _ mar 19, 2025 001_finish_lines & mile: And I've just heard it's like So, cool. Just see, seeing all the service men and women and you run by all

Ally Brettnacher: the monument. It's just really cool. Anyway, but yeah, New York in 2019 I loved because I got to go to your event that you had either that year or you did you do an event the year before?

Did you do the event the year you ran?

riverside_lindsey_& ally _ mar 19, 2025 001_finish_lines & mile: I did events both years. In 2018 that was really my first It's the first live show outside of like homemade scrappy one I put together on my own in Indianapolis. Yeah, so that's the one I

Ally Brettnacher: went to, yes, because it was the year I ran.

riverside_lindsey_& ally _ mar 19, 2025 001_finish_lines & mile: Yeah, ~that, ~I ran, I interviewed Paula Radcliffe.

You did, it was so amazing. Which was ~like ~such a cool opportunity. ~I ~I had Christine Burke who was the president or the vice president of the New York Road Runners on my podcast, ~they had pitched her and I remember showing her name to. Glenn and I was like, should I have this woman on my podcast?~

~And he was like, yeah, you should, you definitely should. ~And so I had formed a relationship with her and I just said, Hey, I'd love to do a live show in New York. And so they invited me to do that. And they were like, yeah, we'll have Paula Radcliffe. And I was like, Oh the, world record holder in the marathon.

Oh, okay, cool. So that was like a really big deal to me at that time. ~I did not, ~they did not pay me for that. I paid for my own way, ~like I ~I stayed with my friend Ashley and then I realized ~I, ~I need to get paid for stuff like this needs to be part of the job. I can't just I can't just take a vacation

Ally Brettnacher: yeah.

riverside_lindsey_& ally _ mar 19, 2025 001_finish_lines & mile: but the cool thing about that was my Sandy was only like three months old and then I was in like. The throes of like postpartum everything. I think I remember Glenn like holding

Ally Brettnacher: Sandy like walking around. It was in it wasn't a running store. It was New York Road Runners, but they had set up a, they had set up a pop up shop there too.

So it felt like a store. Yeah.

riverside_lindsey_& ally _ mar 19, 2025 001_finish_lines & mile: that was really one of the first times where I experienced people being like, Hey, I listened to your podcast like random people. And like me, that felt really cool. Like that. Yeah. But I knew you, but I remember being like, Oh my gosh, I don't know. It felt special.

Like I was like, Oh, cause you, you put out this podcast and you, like you, we've talked about this, like you see the numbers, but you don't really know you don't really picture them as like human beings. That's okay. All over the country. Yeah. Like real

Ally Brettnacher: people. Cool

riverside_lindsey_& ally _ mar 19, 2025 001_finish_lines & mile: experience.

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah.

riverside_lindsey_& ally _ mar 19, 2025 001_finish_lines & mile: Yeah. And 2019 I interviewed Kellen Taylor, Sarah Hall and Roberta Groner at ~the ~the weekend of that race. And then I went to the Every Mother Counts office and interviewed Christy Turlington Forbes. And then I ran the marathon. Yeah. So it was a, cool weekend.

That

Ally Brettnacher: is really cool. And that was a great, the weather that year was pretty good, I think, because I spectated. Yeah, I think

riverside_lindsey_& ally _ mar 19, 2025 001_finish_lines & mile: it was a little hot at the end, but it was like, fine. Yeah.

Ally Brettnacher: So I also loved the 2010, this random ass race that you ran that you said had like hundreds of people.

Do you remember which one?

riverside_lindsey_& ally _ mar 19, 2025 001_finish_lines & mile: Oh yes. The Piney point marathon.

Ally Brettnacher: The Lower Potomac River Marathon as well.

riverside_lindsey_& ally _ mar 19, 2025 001_finish_lines & mile: Oh yeah. That's the same name.

Ally Brettnacher: Okay.

riverside_lindsey_& ally _ mar 19, 2025 001_finish_lines & mile: Yeah. I don't know why I call it Piney Point. I think that's the city. Okay.

Ally Brettnacher: Okay.

riverside_lindsey_& ally _ mar 19, 2025 001_finish_lines & mile: Lower Potomac river marathon. Yeah, we, that was a PR at the time. We were like just looking for, it was just the time of year we were looking for a race.

And then we were like, my sister lived in DC at the time. So we were like, Oh, we can go visit her. And so I think that we visited her in that anyway. We, and also again, had no money. So we drove and like literally drove home same day. ~Oh shit. Both rant. ~Both ran a marathon, finished the marathon and drove home because we can't pay for another hotel night or miss work the next day.

Wow.

Ally Brettnacher: Oh, to be young.

riverside_lindsey_& ally _ mar 19, 2025 001_finish_lines & mile: Drove home 12 hours. That's insane. And he I know it's can you imagine even considering that now? I would get on an airplane and fly home an hour, but I'm not going to get in the car for 12

Ally Brettnacher: hours. 12 hours. Did he drive or did you drive or did you switch?

riverside_lindsey_& ally _ mar 19, 2025 001_finish_lines & mile: No. Oh yeah.

Ally Brettnacher: Oh my gosh.

riverside_lindsey_& ally _ mar 19, 2025 001_finish_lines & mile: He does. I don't drive. I'm a passenger princess. Yeah.

Ally Brettnacher: Lucky.

riverside_lindsey_& ally _ mar 19, 2025 001_finish_lines & mile: Yeah. Actually, I'd rather

Ally Brettnacher: drive because being the passenger princess with kids means that you're the slave. ~Yeah. ~To all the kids that you're just reaching backwards. ~Yeah. ~Constantly.

riverside_lindsey_& ally _ mar 19, 2025 001_finish_lines & mile: ~Yeah. You're ~yeah. Totally. You're the waitress. I, don't drive.

~I, ~ever when we do road trips, like not one, not for one segment. But yeah, that race was tiny. It was like 150 people and I got third place. Great. Is that

Ally Brettnacher: the only time you've been on the podium? Or have you done that before?

riverside_lindsey_& ally _ mar 19, 2025 001_finish_lines & mile: Yes. I've placed in like little five, which is still amazing,

Ally Brettnacher: ~really.~

Most people listen to this probably. ~Yeah. ~And me, like I'm like, I've never been on the podium for anything.

riverside_lindsey_& ally _ mar 19, 2025 001_finish_lines & mile: ~I think that my, ~I think that probably one of my fastest best races, I think I got second place was the firecracker six. And ~it was ~it was the summer of 2013. I had just run the 313 marathon and I, was training for a half Ironman.

~And ~I was like, I'll just jump into this firecracker six and see how fast I can run. Cause I was still doing like fast stuff. And I think my pace was like six. 625 for six miles and I got second place.

Ally Brettnacher: Wow.

riverside_lindsey_& ally _ mar 19, 2025 001_finish_lines & mile: I'm still sad I didn't break the tape because that would have been a first and right you're like the one time I can break the tape

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah,

riverside_lindsey_& ally _ mar 19, 2025 001_finish_lines & mile: I maybe could yeah But yeah, that's probably my fastest like Race I've ever really done.

Yeah.

Ally Brettnacher: And so ~for, and then ~for the marathon one, ~and ~you, won a hundred bucks too and you didn't wanna splurge on a hotel ~a hundred~

riverside_lindsey_& ally _ mar 19, 2025 001_finish_lines & mile: No, I won a hundred bucks. ~Yep. ~And I had run, ~and I did, I ran ~without a watch and I ran with some random guy, ~the, ~pretty much the whole race. He was like a marathon maniac guy

Ally Brettnacher: oh yeah.

riverside_lindsey_& ally _ mar 19, 2025 001_finish_lines & mile: Because I was like, you're spending your whole marathon with me. But he just didn't care. He was just. Ran a lot of marathons.

Ally Brettnacher: That's so funny.

riverside_lindsey_& ally _ mar 19, 2025 001_finish_lines & mile: And I think I ran 324 and I was like, Oh, okay. I think next time I could break 320 maybe. So it was like a spiral effect. Like you start seeing what you're capable of.

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah. It sounds like you've done, at least a handful of states. Ever try to do all of them, or no?

riverside_lindsey_& ally _ mar 19, 2025 001_finish_lines & mile: probably not, just because I don't think that's how I want to spend my time. Yeah, that's

Ally Brettnacher: fair.

riverside_lindsey_& ally _ mar 19, 2025 001_finish_lines & mile: Yeah, no yeah, ~we've done ~we've done California, Green Bay, Wisconsin, St. Louis, Missouri, Piney Point, so that's Maryland.

I've done Rehoboth Beach. And ~who knows where, yeah, ~who knows where that is? What little state that is. Virginia Beach cause I did Shamrock. Indiana, of course, multiple times. Boston, Massachusetts, Chicago, Illinois, New York. You just gotta get gigs,

Ally Brettnacher: get paid. To go to all of 'em,

riverside_lindsey_& ally _ mar 19, 2025 001_finish_lines & mile: but I'm usually emcee so I can't race

Ally Brettnacher: them. Okay.

riverside_lindsey_& ally _ mar 19, 2025 001_finish_lines & mile: If I did a live show, that's the day before and then I could go do ~some~

Ally Brettnacher: events and then like jump in the race ~and Yeah. Before~

riverside_lindsey_& ally _ mar 19, 2025 001_finish_lines & mile: and then jump in the race. Yeah. Yeah, that's, that is how I got to do New York for the first time. I did pay for my entry, but I, they did give me a bit because I was like working and doing the live show.

And I just asked as you should have. I did pay. Yeah. Yeah. I did pay the 300. Don't get, it twisted. But then the second time I ran New York I raised money for, okay. Yeah, that's right. I was a charity. Yeah. I did it as a charity

Ally Brettnacher: and I didn't fundraise. I just wrote a check. Yeah, because we give every year and so like I was like, Hey, honey, like, how about for this year?

Like part of our allocation, this can be what we give. And so it worked out, but

riverside_lindsey_& ally _ mar 19, 2025 001_finish_lines & mile: Yeah it's always a good option. I bet there are lots of people that just donate the money and I think so raising money.

Ally Brettnacher: It's so much like five bucks at a time. It's a lot. That's a lot of work.

riverside_lindsey_& ally _ mar 19, 2025 001_finish_lines & mile: Yeah. Yeah.

Ally Brettnacher: Especially for people who do Boston on a charity bib. That is some hustle to raise those kinds of funds.

riverside_lindsey_& ally _ mar 19, 2025 001_finish_lines & mile: I think our minimum was 3, 500 and Glenn raised. So I committed to raising for both of us. Because I was like, I want you to do it too and I, so I ~just ~set myself a goal of 10, 000 ~cause that, ~cause we had to do 7, 000.

I was like let's just get up to 10, but I will tell you I did the fundraising. But man, his like two posts on LinkedIn pulled in some dollars because he had work people given 200 here, 200 there. And so we got big chunks from the LinkedIn posts.

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah. That's amazing.

So let's talk about what we alluded to earlier on, which is the history of breast cancer in your family and what that journey was like, ~the me, ~the measures that you took to be preventative. All the things. I think this audience could certainly benefit from hearing your story.

Lindsey Hein: Yeah. And it's always like a weird thing to talk about because I feel like health anxieties is like a long lasting thing in my life that I'm like constantly working on and having preventative surgeries ~and I think certainly and everything like certainly ~has eased my mind, but it hasn't taken away.

The lifelong battle I have with this, like that seems to be more intense than most people. ~But yeah. ~In 2012 I found out I had the BRCA two gene mutation, which gives you like an 85% chance of having breast cancer in your lifetime. And I was already like really scared about breast cancer and I had just finished nursing, my first baby, and I, was freaking out the whole time because when you're nursing you get like clogged milk ducks and like all the things ~like any and just weird stuff and every weird thing.~

I was like, oh my gosh, I have breast cancer. Yeah. So I would like obsessively. Give myself breast exams and ~just ~always freaking out about everything. Yeah. Like I had even a, year before thought I felt something, but my doctor was like, I don't feel anything. But then she let me go get an ultrasound anyway, because I was ~like, ~so nervous.

Yeah. And it, didn't look like anything. ~So ~that, it's good though. I had that peace of mind, but I just decided even though I wasn't done having kids, I was like, I am so anxious about this. If I can have this preventative surgery to have the double mastectomy, I think it'll give me ~like ~such a peace of mind.

And so I elected to do that in October of 2013. So my oldest son was like a little over one. Okay. When I had my surgery. And the way I found out I had BRCA though was my grandma had breast cancer in her forties and then ~she, ~she was diagnosed stage four and. Overcame that. Wow. And then 25 years later, she, yeah, she was like I think a miracle.

She was super Christian and went to this like weird healing camp.

Ally Brettnacher: Oh.

Lindsey Hein: And came home and couldn't walk. And my grandpa was like, he had said you can go to this healing thing, but like when you come back. You have to go to the doctor. Yeah. And she went and she told me years later, like when she went to the doctor, had called interns and people into the room and they were like, he was like, you have to I have to show you.

Oh no. This is what stage four looks like. And so she was healed from that. I was like six or seven at the time. I was pretty young. She had my mom young. My mom had us young. So young family. What was her treatment? Did she

Ally Brettnacher: go through chemo, lose her hair?

Lindsey Hein: Chemo? Yeah. Yeah. All that. Yeah.

Yeah. And she had a mastectomy only on, ~she had a, ~they used to call 'em radical mastectomies. 'cause they cut all the way down to your abdomen. Who? And she only got one breast removed. Because it was the one that had the cancer. I'm like, I don't know why you wouldn't get both.

~And, ~but then she just lived her life with one.

Ally Brettnacher: Do you think this is where your like health anxiety comes from? The history of seeing her go through that?

Lindsey Hein: I dunno. I was so young. I was like six. It certainly doesn't come from my mom because my mom is figure it out. Take care of it. Move on. ~Yeah. But ~yeah. So then when she was in her sixties shortly after I graduated college, she had ovarian cancer and she lived with that for eight years.

Geez. And she did finally pass away from that. She was only 72. But she lived like such a full life with ovarian cancer. Man, if anybody did it well, it was her. ~But ~so when she had ovarian cancer, that's when she ~had ~got tested for the BRCA gene because ~the, it's a, ~it's related with brca.

Ovarian cancer risk is like 40, 45%. This is for BRCA two. Okay. So it's not as high, but ovarian cancer is historically like a more deadly cancer than breast cancer. Just usually 'cause it's caught so late.

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah.

Lindsey Hein: People aren't getting screened. Like you get screened for mammograms my mom found out she was positive and I was like, oh man, now I gotta get the test ~and. ~My sisters both got the test. They were negative. They also weren't concerned about it at all. And so I, of course, the one who was concerned, of course, I'm positive. And so then I, was really happy with that surgery.

It just was life changing for me. To not obsess over that all the time.

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah.

Lindsey Hein: And then I would get my ovaries, ultrasounded every, like six months. Get my ca 1 25 checked. And what is that? The CA 1 25? It's like a blood test and it detects, I believe it detects inflammation in like your pelvic area.

Got it. So it's just like an extra. Extra measure they take if you are BRCA positive. ~Okay. ~Like you get your ultrasound, they look at your ovaries, make sure nothing looks fishy, and then they do the blood test as well. Just as a extra measure. Gotcha. And

Ally Brettnacher: is there, how many BRCA genes are there?

Are there two? Just two? I think there's two. ~Okay. ~

Lindsey Hein: One and two. Yeah. And one is that risk is a little bit higher even.

Ally Brettnacher: Okay.

Lindsey Hein: I have, I think risk one is like 90% chance of breast cancer. Mine's 86 or something. ~Yeah. So it's ~

Ally Brettnacher: ~still pretty high. ~

Lindsey Hein: ~Yeah. ~So then after we moved to Raleigh, I was still, when I would go home to Indiana, I would check my doctor's visits off because I was so obsessed with my doctor.

Yeah. And I just didn't wanna leave her. That was like so emotional for me. Yeah. And I had a really low. False positive high blood test. And they were like, it's just out of the normal range, but we're gonna do a follow-up test in a few weeks. And I was like, nah. Ugh. Because it probably, if it wasn't false positive, it was prob could have pro, it could have been detecting.

You have a very, like early cells,

Ally Brettnacher: yeah.

Lindsey Hein: And so she finally called me back and the doctor a couple days later when she was back in the office and she said, I was freaking out. And she said I said, so you can't tell me I don't have cancer. She was like, I can't tell you that, but I don't think you do, but I can't tell you that.

And, but she said, can you go get that blood test tomorrow? Can we just go instead of waiting two weeks? Yeah. And so I drove up from Bloomington to Indy and got the blood test and it was. Back down to normal. I like obsessively called their office like

Ally Brettnacher: yeah.

Lindsey Hein: Four days in a row waiting. And finally the lady was like, okay, she's not back in the office, but I can tell you it's normal.

And I was like, okay, that's all I need to know.

Ally Brettnacher: She's please stop calling.

Lindsey Hein: Yeah. But I, so the thing about that too is I had run 17 miles the day before I got my blood test. ~Oh. ~And so it's likely ~I. ~I had some like gut inflammation. ~Yes. ~Something going on that like my body was responding to that stress or something.

Yeah. Yeah. And when I told the doctor that, she was like, oh yeah, that definitely could have raised it. Needless to say that, that was like, I was miserable for two weeks. I was just like, anxious and freaking out. And I was like, I'm done. Like I'm done doing this. Yeah. And I was th I just turned 39 and I told my doctor, I was like, I'm planning, I was planning to run the New York City Marathon this fall.

I know that everything looks good now. If you or me, would you, do you think it's fine to wait a little bit? And she was like, yeah, go run the marathon. Go do it. And so in the meantime, I decided to find a doctor here. And consult with them. And they, were like, if you're done having kids and you're about to turn 40, I would do it.

I would, get, and now you're talking about hysterectomy,

Ally Brettnacher: correct?

Lindsey Hein: ~Yeah. ~Sorry. And because ~there's two, ~there's multiple schools of thought there with the hysterectomy because you're not, so really, I needed to get an ectomy.

Ally Brettnacher: I've never heard of that. Which is getting my ovaries

Lindsey Hein: removed.

Okay. It's getting your ovaries removed. 'cause my risk for uterine cancer is. Cervical cancer is just normal. It's like what anybody else's risk would be, but my risk for ovarian cancer is high. So I really only had to get the ovaries out, which is less intense surgery. It's laparoscopic. But I was like, the ovaries are what cause your hormones to, to change.

Losing your ovaries. You're losing you're going into surgical menopause. So getting rid of the uterus doesn't put you into menopause, but I'm like, get it out. Like I don't need it if I don't need it. ~Yeah. And you're already in there taking stuff out that's gonna mess with my hormones.~

Take it out. Yeah. Because I don't need to have that in my body anymore. Yeah. So I got, I ended up getting a full hysterectomy and atherectomy, so got rid take the fallopian tubes out, all that. And so now I take two milligrams of estrogen every day because the big thing. Beyond the menopause symptoms, you feel like externally, like hot flashes and a little bit of tiredness and weight gain, things like that.

You lose your bone density and you lose your heart isn't as protected. So I take this supplemental estrogen to protect my bones and my heart. Gotcha. And not experience those outward symptoms as well. It's been really good though. Like I was really scared and just like sad about it way more than the mastectomy.

I was scared for the mastectomy surgery, but I was really scared about this because I felt like it was like,

Ally Brettnacher: oh, that you're really changing now. You're right. It feels a lot more intense. Not that a mastectomy Yeah. Isn't, but. It's like inside with all your other stuff and Yeah. The emotions tied to that.

All my babies. Yeah.

Lindsey Hein: Yeah. This is it, you're done. There's no more like uhoh, what if I'm pregnant days? Yeah. There's no more any of that. And it just felt really final.

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah.

Lindsey Hein: But I don't feel any different, honestly. I really don't. ~So I, guess that's a good thing. ~I do get sad sometimes, if I see a family of five, I'm like, what if that could have been us? What if we could have had five? I can't even imagine.

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah,

Lindsey Hein: I know, but like it's just see that I understand. And I would've had a fifth kid. ~I was, so ~my health anxieties really kept me from that though. I was like I can't, do this.

I can't emotionally handle postpartum again. Yeah. So yeah, that's like the story in a nutshell with me taking all of my female parts out of my body.

Ally Brettnacher: And what did you do for your boobs? Did you get like reconstructive surgery?

Lindsey Hein: Yeah. Okay.

Ally Brettnacher: And like implants? Yeah. Or how does that work?

Lindsey Hein: Yeah.

Yeah. I had implant, I have implants, I had everything removed and then I, kept my nipples though, and I then I had, 'cause you can choose to do that if you, even if you have breast cancer, you, depending on where it is, you can choose to do that. Some people it's too close or maybe it's too aggressive and the doctors recommend not doing that.

Yeah. 'cause some people just have a lump, even just have a lumpectomy. So I chose to keep my nipples and that was a big talking point with me and my mom. My mom convinced me to, because she had gone through it, yeah. I can't '

Ally Brettnacher: cause then. It's like then do they replace, can they give you, can they build nipples for you?

Yeah,

Lindsey Hein: they can put tattoos on Okay. Yeah. Kinda like twist the skin and do something. Oh, interesting. They can do it,

Ally Brettnacher: it's just not the same. Yeah. They can do, obviously

Lindsey Hein: it's not the same. Yeah. ~But it's yeah, ~or you could choose to just have your implants and just have it, just your skin without that piece. ~Yeah. ~But and ~that, ~that is like a extra layer of concern though. Like over the years I've been like, oh gosh, I did this. And now what if I get cancer? Like right there because leaving them behind gives you leave a little bit of tissue behind. ~Yeah. ~So yeah, I had expanders for three months and then they did the exchange surgery and that was like.

You go in and they, you go into the plastic surgeon and they like fill you up to expand your expanders. I heard you talk about that. That's

Ally Brettnacher: so interesting.

Lindsey Hein: Yeah. And then they exchange 'em out. And now, yeah it's been great. I, if I could go back, I would've gone bigger, but I was like 15 pounds lighter than I am now because I was just a young whipper snapper.

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah.

Lindsey Hein: ~And I like, ~this is my settled adult weight. I think

Ally Brettnacher: ~yeah, ~

Lindsey Hein: this is where my body probably is meant to be. But at the time I was so tiny. ~Any and I, ~anything felt like a lot compared to what I had. Yeah.

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah. That's hard.

Lindsey Hein: Yeah. I could get 'em swapped out, but I'm not gonna put myself through surgery just for that.

Just for

Ally Brettnacher: that. Yeah.

Lindsey Hein: Eventually I'll have to get 'em swapped out anyway, so I'll go up a little bit when I do that in five years.

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah. I know. I don't know if you know this, but I have implants and I Oh you do? Yeah, I did it because not cancer related, but because I wanted to after having kids.

Just wanted to make 'em not. Yeah. Look like they were, because they suck the life out. They didn. Yeah. ~And ~I didn't even, they get the life sucked outta them. I didn't

even breastfeed either and, but I just had anyway like we could.

Yeah. But if you pumped. Yes, I pumped. Same thing. And it was just, I was like, I really would like to like them again. That would be nice to not be deflated. ~Yeah. ~Yeah. So I did that. And then Good for you. Because I wanted to and my best friend did as well. I call her my breast friend now to be funny.

Lindsey Hein: Listen, any woman that has had babies that doesn't look like they had babies in those boobs has had it done right. And when I was like open to talking about it, I found a ton of other people that I had no idea. Oh yeah, many. And you're like so many. Oh yeah, many. I didn't know it was so normal.

Ally Brettnacher: Many. And I just hate that there's a stigma. 'cause it's if you don't. If you are able to change it Yeah. And you wanna change it, you can. Yeah. Whatever for sure. Anyway, but ~but yeah, ~my health anxiety I, can relate to you. ~I have, ~I'm a hypochondriac. If I have a headache, I'm like, great.

I have a brain tumor. ~It's, ~that's

Lindsey Hein: why I don't understand how you interview all these people with all these scary sicknesses. ~'cause I'm like ~I, ~like ~have stayed away from that over the years. ~'cause I'm like, ~I can't, I don't do well talking about it ~a lot. Yeah. ~And so ~if I know someone ~I really stay away from those stories sometimes just 'cause it's ~like ~selfishly ~it's ~not good for my brain.

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah. ~Yeah. I don't know. ~I just feel like that, I don't know why it doesn't bother me so much. I think part of it's the educational stuff that's good. If I can learn and have more information about what to look for and how things happen, like maybe that's helpful to me. But yeah, ~it ~I don't know.

I feel like I'll always have that kind of anxiety.

Lindsey Hein: sometimes like less is more though. I think that's why I don't talk. ~Yeah. ~Sometimes I don't like, especially with the BRCA stuff where I haven't made it, like I talk about it, but I don't like. Some people like

Ally Brettnacher: ~Yeah. ~

Lindsey Hein: It's all over all this stuff.

Yes. And like they talk about all the time. Yeah. And I do talk about it, but I don't want that to be like a defining thing Sure.

Ally Brettnacher: Yes. About

Lindsey Hein: me.

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah.

Lindsey Hein: And I, don't wanna think about it all the time and I think knowledge is power, but sometimes less can be more. Like sometimes it's okay to just not keep searching and ~investigative ~investigating.

I don't know. You wanna be smart, but also I don't wanna obsess, yeah. Is what I'm saying.

Ally Brettnacher: ~Yeah. ~I think I'm just so lucky. I love my doctor that I have here, and I just feel like that gives me such a peace of mind. Like I'd have my annual physicals ~Yeah. ~And all the things that I'm supposed to do and I trust them.

And if anything's weird, ~then I ~then I go and they'll test me and she's like the same, where she's if it makes you feel better, you can do this. And I sometimes will be like, okay, let's do that. And sometimes I'll be like. I'll just wait. If it comes back, then I'll do it. ~Yeah, ~

Lindsey Hein: Yeah, totally. Yeah for

Ally Brettnacher: sure. Yeah, so well, thank you for sharing all of that.

riverside_lindsey_part 2 _ mar 19, 2025 001_finish_lines & mile: I feel like

Ally Brettnacher: sadly, a lot of women can relate, and probably even men listening too, who have a partner or a spouse that's gone through a scare or who has gone through cancer.

Lindsey Hein: Yeah, It's it's interesting too, to talk about to your kids. 'cause like when I had my surgery, they were all old enough to know, like the first time it was like, I just had one kid that was like one and a half. ~Yeah. ~The second time, like when I had my hysterectomy, I guess it was almost two years ago now ~they ~they're all my big ones.

Especially like mom, why is mom in the hospital? Like, why is mom having surgery

Ally Brettnacher: yeah.

Lindsey Hein: And they'll all have to get tested for it. Yeah.

Ally Brettnacher: Eventually. Yeah. Yeah, I know with my surgery I was it, was not a crazy recovery, but you're I can't pick you up for a little while, a deal.

And it was, thankfully, they were young enough to where it didn't, it wasn't like they were 16, 'cause I, that's another thing, especially being a mom of girls in particular, it's like you don't want them to have this unhealthy relationship with their body and think that they have to go pay and fix it.

And it's like

Lindsey Hein: that. They

Ally Brettnacher: need to do that. You don't have to do that. But if you're able to and you want to. Okay. So at least I feel like I can come from a place of, I remember positivity if they ever ask

Lindsey Hein: totally, You know how to explain that. I remember when I was in college and my mom got breast implants, this was before she knew she had BRCA and she was like 38 or something.

Okay. Yeah. She was so young because they had us so young. And I, we were like at the beach. And I looked at her and I was like, did you get any bra? And she was like, no. And I was like did you get fake boobs? And she was like, yes. ~You're like, I was like, oh. ~So then she, and then she found out she had BRCA like 10 years later and had to like.

~It, swap 'em out. ~It actually made her surgery. She didn't have to do expanders though, because she Oh, already was stretched Yeah. From having implants that she just swapped out. Yeah. Got all the tissue removed, took those implants out, swapped the new ones in.

Ally Brettnacher: That's Wow. But yeah

Lindsey Hein: even, my mom did that,

Ally Brettnacher: ~yeah. How many? ~25 years ago. Yeah. Wild. ~ ~

Lindsey Hein: ~Okay. ~

Ally Brettnacher: ~Okay, ~

Lindsey Hein: ~but wait, let's really quick though. Wait, let's plug the Donna Foundation really quick. Just 'cause while we were talking about the BRCA stuff. Sorry. No, that's okay. I totally ~

Ally Brettnacher: ~forgot. Do you ~

Lindsey Hein: ~wanna cut it and then you bring it up? ~

Ally Brettnacher: ~What? ~

Lindsey Hein: ~You cut it, and then you bring it up? Yeah. ~

Ally Brettnacher: ~Okay. Cut ~

Lindsey Hein: ~what I just said and then you bring it up?~

Ally Brettnacher: ~Yeah. Okay. Wait. ~Before we move, on, I do wanna talk about your work with the Donna Foundation too, because all this experience and the work that you do with the Donna Foundation down in, are they based in Florida? Or is that just where? Jacksonville. Jacksonville. Jacksonville.

Jacksonville. Yeah. So tell us about the Donna Foundation and the work that you do there, and what that means to you after having this experience.

Lindsey Hein: Yeah, so the Donna Foundation is an organization that helps people who are walking through a breast cancer diagnosis. They have a care line, so they help people who are like in crisis and don't know what to do.

And then they also help with financial assistance for medical bills, transportation, things like that. It's a really special community. The founder is a three time breast cancer survivor. And she's now actually the mayor of Jacksonville. She's the first female mayor of Jacksonville. Amazing. Which is the largest city in Florida.

Yeah, she's so badass and just such a genuine, really special human being. Their motto is love over fear. Love over fear. I was reached out to a third party who was doing marketing for them to come to their race back in 2018, and I was like, yeah you, might not even know this about me, but I am very high risk for breast cancer. I had a prophylactic mastectomy. ~Mastectomy, ~and it really was a good fit. And now I've been going there every, year since 2018. ~And ~I've raised money for them, but mostly I'm an advocate for the race that they have every year, which is the Donna Marathon in February, which is.

An amazing race experience. The coolest course you gotta come run it with Sometimes. I want to. So bad. It's so cool. Is

Ally Brettnacher: it the first weekend in February usually?

Lindsey Hein: Yeah. Okay. It's, yeah. Yeah. And you stay in Jacksonville Beach and it's I don't know, I just, I feel at home there 'cause I've been so many times.

~Yeah. ~And I just know the area so well now, but yeah, so I, love that I can advocate for them and spread awareness about what they're doing and be a part of that race every year. Yeah.

Ally Brettnacher: Oh, that's so amazing. I always love watching all the content that comes outta that weekend. It does look really special.

So fun.

Lindsey Hein: Yeah. Just come stay with me.

As long as my family doesn't come because I go by myself.

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah, that's fun. That's even better. so someday, okay I will, come just, and then you'll come to Vegas. We'll just, we'll swap one year. I'll do. Donna Foundation Race. Make it happen. Yeah. We'll make it happen. Yeah. Got it.

All right. So we're going to do something special for episode 100 and we are going to play never have I ever runner edition. Okay. Are you ready? Yes. Do you want to go first? Yes. I'm going ready. Okay. Never have I ever been on the cover of a running magazine. I have been on the cover of a running magazine in 2014.

It's I remember when that came out and I was just like, Oh my God, you're on the cover of women's women's running. Yeah, that's what's funny about that is my cover art for my podcast is from that photo shoot. So if y'all think, why does she look like a baby child in her, in her artwork? It's because I was, I guess I was 30.

Lindsey Hein: Okay. I was 30. I was pregnant with Lewis though. I was like 14 weeks, 15 weeks pregnant. Yeah, I was pregnant. I did not know that. Uh, I know. I remember telling them. I was like, I'm pregnant. Is that going to be okay? It was kind of annoying though because you're, I was pregnant and I was like not really showing but like in that stage where you feel just like, eh.

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah. So I'm like. It'd be better if I was like six months pregnant and I could feel like, you know, cute with my bump or, you know, um, so yeah, okay. Yeah. Never have I ever DNF'd a race. Okay. So I technically haven't, but it was the Philadelphia marathon. I don't remember what year I did that. I can't remember.

I'd have to look at my spreadsheet, but I was like super sick. I did Chicago that year. And so Chicago's October, Philadelphia's November, and they used to have the half marathon and the marathon happening at the same time. Now it's two different days, I believe. So I like got up, got ready, went to the start line with all my girls, my friends that I was with.

And I was like, I felt awful. And I was like, well, I'll just push through it. And they like have it where kind of like the Carmel Marathon. Where you can choose to, you know, you're stopping, going one way to stop going the other way to do 26. 2. Like, I just remember I was so sick that I, I got so cold that I picked up a dirty shirt from the side of the road and put it on.

Lindsey Hein: I was like, so miserable. It was awful. And so, yeah. And the chicken broth at that finish line, like saved my life. I'm pretty sure. Wait, so you finished the race? I finished the half. I did the half. Okay. Not the full. Okay. So I like, technically like I DNF'd my full marathon. But like you knew, you knew at the start line you were going to do the half.

Ally Brettnacher: Well once I realized how easy it was going to be to make that decision, I was like, that's probably the decision I'm going to make. Because if I would have been forced to run the whole thing. I mean, I probably could have, but I would just probably would have been even more sick. And it was like right before Thanksgiving.

I remember I met my niece for the first time and couldn't hold her because I was like so sick anyway. So yeah. So technically you can count that as a DNF or like, you know, just a pivot, but I got a medal. I feel like you can call it a pivot. You can call it. I stepped down to the half. Yeah. Yeah. And I still like, it sucks that that happened.

I remember beating myself up, you know, but what can you do? I was so sick. Um, you're sick. You're sick. Yeah. Right. Okay. Never have I ever used a port a potty during a race. Oh, yeah. Swear. How? I don't know. I don't know, Lindsay, but I, I have done so many races and I have never used a port a potty. Wow, that's crazy to me.

Lindsey Hein: During a race, like I've used, I've used a port a potty plenty of times, but like, yeah. I've used lots during races, for sure, because I'm like, if I'm like uncomfortable, even if it's just a pee, I'm like, I'm just going to do this really quick. Um, I'm trying to think if I've ever done it during like a PR race.

And I don't think I have during like a PR race, but like races like if I'm running a marathon And I'm not like trying to PR. I'm sure stop and use the bathroom if I need to yeah Okay, never have I ever Raced in super shoes. Really? Yeah. Someone needs to give this girl some super shoes. Do you have a pair?

I mean, yes, I have two pair and they were gifted to me. Right. Uh, I have a pair of Solomon super shoes and I have a pair of Puma. I actually have the Puma super shoes that Dakota Lindworm ran in the Olympics in, but I don't run fast right now and I'm like, I don't, I'm afraid it'll like mess with my feet.

Feet and like my Achilles and stuff if I'm not using them for the right reasons, right? I'm holding on to them and I'm gonna I You know if I decide to run a race, I'll wear them But like yeah, I've never I've actually only ran around the block in a pair one time. That's the only time I've ever worn them Yeah, so I have I've gone through two pairs and I've only run in one kind which is the Saucony Pro elite.

Ally Brettnacher: Is that what it's called? The threes. I've done the twos and the threes and I only use them for races. And then recently got the advice that you should run in them more than just races just to make sure, you know, and I was kind of like, Oh, to do like a couple of tempo runs, right. Just to like a speed set.

Yeah. You know, just to make sure, like I run, I don't know, I guess I run in a few different brands of shoes, but mostly Sockany now. So I feel like anyway, and you've seen mine, I've bedazzled the hell out of them. So they're like beautiful and I don't want to like ruin them. So anyway, but I know, well, and you don't want to run too many miles in them because they're expensive and you don't want to have to buy more.

Lindsey Hein: I think I would for sure do at least one of my long runs in them though. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I got them when I worked at the running store. Well, the first pair, I should say. Yeah. And that was really helpful because it was not as expensive. Get that 40%. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, okay. Never have I ever puked after a run.

Ally Brettnacher: I have done that. Marathon or track meets or both? Um, half, like half marathon. Okay. Yeah, yeah. I actually, I remember it was after the Bloomington half. Hmm. I think I had two kids, and at the time, I didn't feel like I was running very fast, but now looking back, I think I ran like 135 or something, maybe 136.

Lindsey Hein: Oh, and it Bloomington is like hilly. So hilly. Yeah. So like I, I really like full scent that thing. Like, I don't know what kind of shape I was really in, but like, I was, and I crossed that finish line. Wow. Yeah, so I I've definitely done that before and I've done that like when I was younger at like after like a hard workout Yeah, yeah, I've only dry heaved which is a recent thing actually Yeah, I mean if you push yourself hard enough your body's like, oh, I know and I was I mean I remember the first time I dry heaved I was like, holy shit Like what in the hell is this feeling like I've never heard hard.

Ally Brettnacher: Yeah, and then I was like Well, that's fun. Yeah, I've definitely done that in front of Jed, our executive director, more than once now, because at the end of Monumental, I'm just like, give me a second. Wait, at the end of Monumental, so many people threw up that year. I don't know what was in the gel, their gels, and it was like elite people, so like they were probably using their own gels, but I've never seen so many people throw up at a finish line.

Lindsey Hein: That was, that was weird. That was like a strange event. Yeah, I don't know. Something in the water. I don't know. Yeah. Okay. It's your turn. It was random. Okay. Never have I ever, um, I have a few more. You want me to go? Okay. Yeah, you go. Okay. Never have I ever paced a marathon. Oh, I have paced a half marathon.

Ally Brettnacher: Okay. So, so have I. I've never paced a full marathon. Yeah, I've never paced a full marathon. I paced, I've only paced one half marathon. I paced the Indy women's half. Okay, that's the only one I've done. Todd Oliver had me pacing 140. Oh, hot damn. Damn is right. It was like I was like, okay, we're going to be running seven.

Lindsey Hein: I think that's like seven, seven forties or something. Yeah, that sounds right. Because my PR is one 43 and that's like a seven 50 pace. So it's gotta be, yeah, yeah. That's cooking. It was fast. I, it was fun though. I had a little group with me and then, um, at the end I got to. Run. I think her name was Debbie.

I got to run her in and I don't know if it was like a lifetime PR or like master's PR because I think she was probably in her fifties, early fifties maybe. Okay. But yeah, I mean she had a really great race and we ran together the whole, we, our little group split up and it was just me and her at the end and it was really cool to experience her crossing that finish line.

And then I saw her like, At the airport heading to Boston one year, like kind of kept in touch a little bit here and there. Yeah. Yeah. I, I paced the Indy women's, which is now the Indiana women's running festival. Um, it's now over Labor Day. I was like, which weekend? Labor Day weekend. So it's August 30th this year.

Ally Brettnacher: And so last year I did it. I paced the year before I ran with my friend Christy D and she was pacing for the first time. And so I kind of was like her shadow. Yeah. So I ran the race with her and then, so the next year I was like, I feel like I could pace. Like that's something I could do. And so I did the 155 and that was great.

Like that was a perfect sweet spot. Um, I remember my running coach, Rachel did the 150 and she was kind of like, Oh, that's like a little, you know, for like the first time you're just. You know, I didn't want to mess it up to be real healthy, like you want it to be like a real, yeah. I mean, at this point in my life, I feel like I would want to do like two hours.

Yeah. Two hours is Trina route of Bush. Like I swear at every race two or four awkward. Yeah. Like she just paces all the marathons and the half marathons. Yeah. Yeah. I think that that would feel really good. I mean, in some way, if you're like training still, you want to run it, you want to pace like not super far from like, you know, but you can't be, can't be too close.

Lindsey Hein: But if it's too slow for like what you're used to running, then it doesn't feel natural. So like for me right now, I feel like a nine minute mile would feel really, really good. Yeah. Healthy. Yeah. Yeah. Christie did the two 10 the year I ran with her and that felt okay. I mean, this is no offense to anybody who runs to 10.

Ally Brettnacher: No, it doesn't matter. But for me, that felt Slow and it felt like I was doing a disservice to the, you know, the group cause I kept wanting to go faster. And so that was why I feel like. Yeah. 155 was great. Um, I still got really excited, but I like just had to reign it in and I ran with like the entire IU women's, which team, the rowing team, they all came and so they were in my group and it was so fun.

I really enjoyed that. Yeah. And my friend Becky, who I run with ran with me too, which was nice. Kind of like I did with Christie. So that was helpful as well. That's so fun. Yeah. My husband Glenn used to pace the 310 group at Carmel. Can you imagine? I'm like, that is so fast. That's like Kel, Kelby. Uh, Loeffner, who I just interviewed, she used to pace, yeah, 315.

Jesus Christ. Yeah, it's crazy. Being comfortable at that pace is wild. Wild to me. Yeah, for sure. So, yeah. Okay, did you think of another one? Yeah, never have I ever Used a Morton gel. Oh, really? That's shocking to me. They're gross, kind of. Have you, do you, have you used them? Okay, so I have because I had to see what all the fuss was about because I still haven't run Boston.

But I was like, okay, my coach uses them, like I'll buy some on the feed and give it a shot. And the ones without caffeine, the way I describe it is it kind of tastes like marshmallow almost, but like the consistency of it is It's fine. It's like almost like a, not chunky, but it's like, um, just jelly. Like it's more like a jelly consistency than the goo, if that makes sense.

Like it like chunks apart, which is great. I feel like you can kind of get it down like a Jell O shot, um, which is fine. It's fine. Not my favorite thing, but the caffeine ones, I can't, they taste really gross to me. I don't know what it is, but it has like this chemically. flavor to me. Yeah. So I was just like, well, for the price, if I don't love them, like I'm going to stick with my maple syrup.

Thank you very much. Heck yeah. Anderson. Yay. Pure Fuel. Shout out. Yes. Shout out. Do you, are you trying to qualify for Boston? Not this year. I've decided this year is more of like a running for fun kind of a year. But, you know, I'm almost 40. And so part of me with them just making it harder and harder feels like I just have to be 40 before I'm really going to put in the work because I'm just kind of on the edge.

I think I, well, I shouldn't say I think I know that I can. You can, but it's just like, okay, can I just give myself a little grace and go after it when I have a little bit more, right? It's just going to get harder though is the other problem. So I don't know. I hope so. Yeah. I mean, event, eventually we all slow down.

Lindsey Hein: I mean, I don't think that you're anywhere near that, especially given like, I feel like you've gotten more serious about your running in the recent years. So it's not like you have like 20 years of like pounding really hard. I mean, you've run for a lot of years, but like, to me, it seems like you've gotten more serious recently.

Well, I just started using a coach. I started working with Rachel maybe three or four years ago now. It's been, I mean, a long time, but then I finally learned how to train the right way. And that made all the difference for me. Part of it was coming back after babies and then the next phase of that was then, okay, now I'm going to go for the speed again.

Ally Brettnacher: And so last year I PR'd my full marathon. The year before that, when you were at the finish line of Monumental, I PR'd my half marathon. So that's why I was kind of like, okay, like I'm getting faster and I told Rachel, I want to keep getting faster, but I also want to enjoy it and not put so much pressure on myself where I burn out because like running is clearly something I love and I don't want that to change.

So you don't want it to be ruined by obsessing and all that. Yeah, exactly. Sure. Okay. I'm going to ask you now the end of the podcast questions. I feel like that was fun, but yeah, that was fun. I, wait, I thought of one more. You did. Okay. But I already know your answer. I was just going to say, never have I ever used a running coach.

Oh yeah, right. Well, and then you are a coach, which is, I can't believe that. Yeah. That's wild. It's because I'm, it's because I don't like people to tell me what to do. I, I do. And I like, like the accountability, even though I don't really need it. Like, I just like that somebody else is looking at it. It helps.

No, I, I think that's why most people do. I just like, I don't want to be, this is why I work for myself. I don't want anybody else to tell me what my schedule needs to be. Right, right. That's fair enough. Yeah. I feel like a good coach will work with you too though. Like if you're like, Hey, sure. But you know, I get it.

That's fair. That's fine. Plus you've gone through all the necessary training to be a coach. So at least you know what to do. Yeah. I know what I would need to do for sure. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. For sure. Okay. End of the podcast questions are okay. What is your favorite running song and or mantra? Okay my favorite running song I'm gonna look at my Spotify.

Lindsey Hein: Let me give you two answers. Okay. I really like memories David, Guetta, Kid Cudi. Yeah. Do you know what song I'm talking about? I'm trying to hear it.

Ally Brettnacher: Oh, I love the beat of that one. That's on my marathon playlist. Yeah. Yeah. That one. And then my next one is, um, this is called My First Song by Jay Z. Oh. I'm gonna play it.

I don't think I've ever heard that song. I know it's like a, it's like a deep cut. It's, um, this is so random. It's called my first song. It's about like working as hard now as you worked when you first got started. Like when you were like hustling so hard to try to, you know, launch your podcast or run a fast marathon or whatever.

Lindsey Hein: It's like still putting in that work now. I like that. That's what it's about. Cool. And, um, I was listening to Sue Bird on a NPR podcast with Terry Gross and Terry Gross asked Sue Bird what was her hype song and she said, my first song by Jay Z. And so I was at the airport traveling to Bayshore to do an event there, to the Bayshore Marathon and I listened to that song.

The entire way to Traverse City and I was like this, I'm obsessed with this and it kind of like gave me good energy to like prep for, I was interviewing Des Linden live at the Bayshore Marathon. Yeah, no big deal. It gave me like energy to like bring as much research and prep for that interview as I used to do at the beginning.

So that's, that's another one. I love that one. That's a really good one. I like that a lot. Yeah. Um. Add it to your playlist. Yeah, I will actually, because I have a playlist for this podcast as well. So when people give me their favorite running song, I add them to the playlist. And then when I listen to that playlist, which I've been trying not to listen to music as much, which is good, but when I do, I'll put that playlist on and then I can think of the person.

Ally Brettnacher: Whose song it was. don't remember, then I have to go look it up because it'll drive me nuts, but it's really fun. I love that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And then in terms of mantras, when I listened to an episode of a podcast you were on, Glenn told you something that I really liked, which was, don't think, just run. So that's a good one for people to tuck away.

But what is your personal, do you have a personal mantra or mantra as you say to yourself? What podcast was that? That was on the, that was on the alley on the run. Said on Alley? Mm-hmm . Okay. Oh, that's funny. 'cause I don't remember that at all. I don't think I can go back and listen. I, I cringe. I think it's a, it's a while ago.

Lindsey Hein: Like, you know, hearing yourself. I know. Yeah, yeah. Hearing yourself in old interviews. I'm like, ugh, . Um, I think, I think I just said go, go, go. Just like. Just, just go, just go. One thing I really like that actually Scott Fable shared on my podcast a long time ago was he says like, be like water. And I always talk about this now, like if I'm on stage at an expo, I bring this up to encourage the runners because it's one of the best things I've ever in all my years interviewing pros have ever heard.

Someone say just like be smooth like water like water calms you down and also is just like a smooth Like think about like a creek and so if you think about that while you're running like I can just like be smooth like rot Water and I just try to tell it just like relax, you know, yeah, pretty good Yeah, just go go go go.

I'd say that's my yeah, like if I'm if I'm on the treadmill I mean, I haven't done speed work in a really long time but if I'm on the treadmill like doing intervals or something, I will just like verbally like Yell at yourself. Like I just tell. Yeah. Yeah. I do. That's funny. Okay. This reminds me to ask you briefly too about your 70 hard and your version of it because I did a strength class or a bootcamp.

Ally Brettnacher: Oh, yeah. Yesterday or the day before? Day before. And I had to do burpees and I thought of you. So tell people your modified version of 75 hard. Well, I'm, I've always been intrigued by it and I'm like, but this is also, the reason I was nervous to do it is also one of the reasons why I've never done like any sort of like structured diet because I just like, I don't want to obsess over anything.

Lindsey Hein: I want to live my freaking life, but I also feel like there's something really cool about having a goal and like sticking to a commitment, um, which you're all doing if you're marathon training. Yeah. That's your commitment. Yeah. So, so the 75 hard though, if it for anybody listening is like you have to work out twice a day for 45 minutes.

One of those times has to be outside. No, it doesn't matter the weather. You take a picture every day too for your progress. Um, I'm also not doing that part. Um, and then you have to stick to a certain diet and no alcohol. So I'm doing the two 45 minutes. I'm committing to the two 45 minute section segments of working out very, very limited alcohol.

I haven't said I'm going to give it up completely and just trying to eat sensibly and I'm not sticking to a diet. Isn't there a water aspect? Yeah. You're supposed to drink like a gallon of water or something crazy too. Oh yeah. You're supposed to drink a ton of water, which I try to drink a lot of water.

But on top of that, which I guess it can be included in my second 45 minutes is I'm, I'm also committed to doing 50 burpees a day, which. Isn't that hard to do guys? It's really not. Like if you just break it up into sets of 10 throughout the day and it keeps you awake, it like wakes you up, you know, like if you're feeling like a little bit like slumping around at like two, it's that time of day where you start feeling tired midday.

Get up off your butt and do 10 burpees. Oh man, I hate burpees so much. But I had to do 30 last night at 9 30 p. m. And I ran out of time to do my second workout. So I just went on a walk at like 9 45 last night, like a mile and a half. So I didn't do 45 minutes. But that's my other thing is like it doesn't have to be exact it just has to be an effort And yeah, I think that's fair second or it was there.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I like that. It's a casual. Yeah, 75 hard Well, as you know, I'm doing no alcohol for Lent. So so far it's been going really well, but I just going Fine. It's just fine. I just don't drink. And that's fine. And then when people ask me, like, why aren't you drinking? I can just be like, because I gave it up for Lent.

Ally Brettnacher: Which is easier than being like, because I don't want to. And then people are like, why? Yeah. And I'm like, because I'm old and I feel like shit if I have two drinks, you know? So anyway. Yeah. I, so this will be Friday. This Friday will be two weeks since I had any alcohol. So great. Because I think Lent started, Lent, it would be two weeks today, right?

Lindsey Hein: Yeah. Cause it's Wednesday. Yeah. And Ash Wednesday is the start of Lent, right? That's right. And so yeah, I've been two weeks. That's pretty good. Look at us. Cause I had a drink that Friday and then actually I went to church on Sunday and they, he talked about get like why you give something up for Lent and I really liked the way he, I liked the way he talked about it and I was like, oh, I feel like I'm holding on to this a little tight.

Mm hmm. Um, so I, I kind of like kind of giving it up. I think, I don't know if I'm gonna go the full 40 days, but For instance, on Friday, one of my friends is having a birthday party and I'm like, will I have a couple drinks? Those situations are hard. Maybe I'll bring, maybe I'll bring like a really good mocktail and like have some caffeine to feel like a little jazzed up.

Yeah. You know how you say like, oh you don't want to have caffeine late because it'll affect your sleep? Well guess what affects your freaking sleep? Oh yeah, I know, yeah. Alcohol for sure. I'm like, I think I think some caffeine at 10 p. m Is will probably affect my sleep less than like three drinks. Yeah.

Yeah. Well and now like we're so lucky here in Carmel we have a Actually, there's three locations now of a non alcoholic liquor store And so they have all the coolest brands of na stuff that's helped me a ton And people are like, it's almost like cheating. I'm like, kind of, but it's not alcoholic. So you're not, yeah, you're not drinking the poison.

Um, but also like one of the perks of not drinking is not spending the money. And so I feel like all these like craft mocktails, it's like, like I bought some stuff from three, three, yeah, three spirits. Yep. And I really like it, but it was very expensive. Yeah. It's like a bottle of booze expensive. Yeah, it was like three.

I got three bottles that were very not very big and I think it was like a hundred dollars. Yeah. One of them is like a nightcap though. And it has like valerian root in it and like all these like nice sleepy time things. Yeah. So I think it's and it feels like you're drinking like a whiskey even though it doesn't.

Totally tastes like whiskey. You put like a big ice cube in it and have it in a glass. Right. You just fake it. It's, you know, and then you're, you're tricking yourself into feeling like you're doing it. And then it becomes easier, I think, but I'm going to Key West. But you're actually like drinking something that's relaxing.

Yeah. Yeah. I'm going to Key West with my husband during spring break for a night. And so that's going to be tricky because we're going to be on. A fairy for like three and a half hours. I would give it up for that. You should give it up for that. We'll see. We shall see. I mean, I'm not pressuring you to like, not follow, you know, all your feelings towards Lynn.

Yeah. But I feel like Jesus would be like, you should let loose on that day. What would Jesus do? He would let loose in Key West. He would drink wine. Uh, okay. And now second question, what is your next finish line or milestone? My next finish line. I am race announcing at the Blue Ridge Marathon in Roanoke, Virginia.

And so that is my next finish line. I'll be up. Oh, when is that? It is in mid April. It is like the week before Boston. And then I'm not going to Boston, but I'm also race announcing at Big Sur the following weekend. Oh, cool. Yeah. Yeah. And then after, after the weekend after that, I'll be in Indy for the mini.

So it's like three, three or four weekends in a row are spoken for. Yeah. If only Glenn would listen to this so I could say, thank you, Glenn. Thanks for holding down the floor. Yeah. And thank you to my husband who does that for me. I actually convinced him. I know I actually convinced him to we're gonna take we're gonna take the family to Big Sur.

Ally Brettnacher: Oh, that's cool That's a good one. I feel like yeah, so then I don't feel so like I mean I want to take them because it'll be fun But I also like I have a little bit of guilt relieved for being on yeah Cuz they'll gonna come with and it's such a beautiful place. Like I told my husband I was like when else Are we going to take the kids to Big Sur?

Lindsey Hein: Like, we're just not. Yeah. So, like, let's, let's do it. Yeah. That's cool. Oh, fun. Oh, this has been so fun. I have no idea how long we recorded because we've done it in a few separate recordings. So it's going to be like, who knows how long. Like your longest episode. Longest episode. I have only one that's been over two hours and that was recent, actually, and it was an accident.

Ally Brettnacher: And it was a great episode. It just was like, holy crap. How is it that long? I'm not Rich Roll. So. Well, it's good for those long runs. So thank you to everybody who listened to this. Maybe during a run. I hope it's a good run. Thanks for being here. Yeah, and happy running. Happy 100 episodes!

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